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If the librarian is currently in CC, and there is an enemy psyker with 24", can he use his psychic hood?

Also: Can non-shoot psychic powers in general be used in CC?

BobTheChainsaw wrote:If the librarian is currently in CC, and there is an enemy psyker with 24", can he use his psychic hood?

Also: Can non-shoot psychic powers in general be used in CC?

1)Yes.
2)Yes. No. Maybe. It really depends on the power being used.

Gwar! wrote:

BobTheChainsaw wrote:If the librarian is currently in CC, and there is an enemy psyker with 24", can he use his psychic hood?

Also: Can non-shoot psychic powers in general be used in CC?

1)Yes.
2)Yes. No. Maybe. It really depends on the power being used.

Okay, so... could Null Zone be used in CC? I know Gate of Infinity can't. Basically, what space marine librarian powers CAN'T be used in close combat (I know GoI and all shooting ones, anything else)?

EDIT: Wait, could Lash of Submission be used in Close Combat? It wouldn't be to move the other unit(s) in CC, but what if the daemon prince moved a different unit (that wasn't in CC) with Lash? Could he do that?

Lash is a PSA, as it states it is instead of firing another weapon...

nosferatu1001 wrote:Lash is a PSA, as it states it is instead of firing another weapon...

Are you sure? Sounds like it could be debated.

Positive it is a shooting attack.

BobTheChainsaw wrote:Okay, so... could Null Zone be used in CC? I know Gate of Infinity can't. Basically, what space marine librarian powers CAN'T be used in close combat (I know GoI and all shooting ones, anything else)?

Your best bet is to look at each power.

Smite Shooting Attack
Force Dome Movement
Machine Curse Shooting Attack
The Avenger Shooting Attack
Quickening Fleet and init 10, so yes.
Null Zone Not a shooting Attack so can be used in CC
Might of the Ancients Not a shooting Attack so can be used in CC
Gate of Infinity Seems to be a non-shooting psychic ability, thus could be used in CC unless it requires movement
Vortex of Doom shooting attack

Cant use shooting attacks in CC, thus, shooting attacks cant be used in CC.

Gate of Infinity Seems to be a non-shooting psychic ability, thus could be used in CC unless it requires movement

Doesnt require it but it causes it. So would it be legal? and could he still take the squad he's attached to out of CC?

BobTheChainsaw wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Lash is a PSA, as it states it is instead of firing another weapon...

Are you sure? Sounds like it could be debated.

Definitely not debateable.

DA's Forever wrote:

Gate of Infinity Seems to be a non-shooting psychic ability, thus could be used in CC unless it requires movement

Doesnt require it but it causes it. So would it be legal? and could he still take the squad he's attached to out of CC?

That one spawned a multiple-page thread not so long ago. Either it can be used to move from close combat, because it simply says to remove them from the table, or it can't, due to the fact that other similar abilities (Veil of Darkness, for example) actually specify that they can be used when in close combat means that you can't do so for Gate, which doesn't so specify, or simply because you can't choose to move away from close combat, and removing them from the table and/or deep striking are both moving the models...

insaniak wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:

Gate of Infinity Seems to be a non-shooting psychic ability, thus could be used in CC unless it requires movement

Doesnt require it but it causes it. So would it be legal? and could he still take the squad he's attached to out of CC?

That one spawned a multiple-page thread not so long ago. Either it can be used to move from close combat, because it simply says to remove them from the table, or it can't, due to the fact that other similar abilities (Veil of Darkness, for example) actually specify that they can be used when in close combat means that you can't do so for Gate, which doesn't so specify, or simply because you can't choose to move away from close combat, and removing them from the table and/or deep striking are both moving the models...

I think this too requires a decision if you think the rulebook is a legal document or not. If "Cannot move while locked in combat" is a broad principle but the word "Move" is just colloquial then you cant do any changing of location which would make the unit no longer engaged, or if "Moved is a technical legal term which means only movement during the movement phase then GoI would not violate the rule. I take the rulebook to be an informal and poorly written document, therefore GoI would not allow you to move out of CC

visavismeyou wrote:

insaniak wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:

Gate of Infinity Seems to be a non-shooting psychic ability, thus could be used in CC unless it requires movement

Doesnt require it but it causes it. So would it be legal? and could he still take the squad he's attached to out of CC?

That one spawned a multiple-page thread not so long ago. Either it can be used to move from close combat, because it simply says to remove them from the table, or it can't, due to the fact that other similar abilities (Veil of Darkness, for example) actually specify that they can be used when in close combat means that you can't do so for Gate, which doesn't so specify, or simply because you can't choose to move away from close combat, and removing them from the table and/or deep striking are both moving the models...

I think this too requires a decision if you think the rulebook is a legal document or not. If "Cannot move while locked in combat" is a broad principle but the word "Move" is just colloquial then you cant do any changing of location which would make the unit no longer engaged, or if "Moved is a technical legal term which means only movement during the movement phase then GoI would not violate the rule. I take the rulebook to be an informal and poorly written document, therefore GoI would not allow you to move out of CC

Thats what i figured. Held some vauge hope that i cold pull a squad out of a tough situation