Squirrelly tactic allowed and even suggested by the ringer-judge....

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**General Hobbs**

Libby with tac squad and gateway, can teleport using the deep strike rules.

The judge said that they could use my locator beacon to not scatter.....

and that because they were not in reserve, that the scout biker could move first.

I did not think you could use a locator beacon with the Gateway. I've looked at the deep strike rules and you don't have to do that first, so I can see the scout being allowed to move first.

Was the judge wrong or is this a viable tactic? I could see someone argueing that they are using the ds rules, but are not actually deep striking....

**Gwar!**

General Hobbs wrote:

Libby with tac squad and gateway, can teleport using the deep strike rules.

The judge said that they could use my locator beacon to not scatter.....

and that because they were not in reserve, that the scout biker could move first.

I did not think you could use a locator beacon with the Gateway. I've looked at the deep strike rules and you don't have to do that first, so I can see the scout being allowed to move first.

Was the judge wrong or is this a viable tactic? I could see someone argueing that they are using the ds rules, but are not actually deep striking....

The Judge was wrong. The locater beacon only works for units "arriving by Deep Strike".
A unit that is already on the table can hardly arrive again.

**sbeasley**

Not quite true, Swooping Hawks can go back into reserves to arrive again, but yes in this case, he would be wrong.

You can use your opponents locator beacon to not scatter? This is news to me. That seems all kinds of wrong. Will have to look at it though.

**Gwar!**

sbeasley wrote:Not quite true, Swooping Hawks can go back into reserves to arrive again, but yes in this case, he would be wrong.

You can use your opponents locator beacon to not scatter? This is news to me. That seems all kinds of wrong. Will have to look at it though.

Yes, but then they are in reserves, so must then arrive again. GoI doesn't use reserves.

**Scott-S6**

sbeasley wrote:You can use your opponents locator beacon to not scatter? This is news to me. That seems all kinds of wrong. Will have to look at it though.

You can't - this has been covered in the BRB FAQ.

BRB wrote:Q. Am I able to gain the benefits of any of my opponent’s wargear or special rules, such as Teleport Homers, Chaos Icons, Tyranid Synapse, Necron Resurrection Orbs etc?
A. In most occasions this is clear, as the rules use the words ‘friendly’ or ‘own’ to indicate your units, and ‘enemy’ for the opponent’s. On the other hand, some rules clearly specify that they affect ‘friend and foe’. A few rules are, however, slightly ambiguous as they don’t clearly specify this distinction. As a general principle, we recommend that you cannot use or gain the benefits from any of the wargear or special rules of your opponent’s army, unless specifically stated in the rule itself (‘friend or foe’) or in an official FAQ.

**sbeasley**

Okay so basically if I were to play with warp spiders I could deep strike and not scatter, shoot up said locator beacon unit then use my warp spider jump ability to jump away. How silly is that. Locator beacons must just be a flashlight saying land here. I find it extremely silly that something like a locator beacon could simply be used by anyone that can deepstrike, but thems the rulez. bleh.

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Scott-S6 wrote:
sbeasley wrote:You can use your opponents locator beacon to not scatter? This is news to me. That seems all kinds of wrong. Will have to look at it though.

You can't - this has been covered in the BRB FAQ.

That makes me feel better. They do have some good tech in the 40th millennium.

**neotom1118**

On a related note, could imperial stormtroopers with aerial assault (able to re-roll deep strike scatter dice) get their re-roll when jumping out of a flat out valkyrie?

**insaniak**

General Hobbs wrote:Was the judge wrong or is this a viable tactic? I could see someone argueing that they are using the ds rules, but are not actually deep striking....

That's pretty much it. It simply comes down to whether or not you consider 'using the deep strike rules' to be 'deep striking'...

The bike wouldn't be able to move first, though. GoI is used at the start of the phase... and the squad is immediately placed back on the table. You can't remove them, move something else, and then place the Librarian.

**Gwar!**

neotom1118 wrote:On a related note, could imperial stormtroopers with aerial assault (able to re-roll deep strike scatter dice) get their re-roll when jumping out of a flat out valkyrie?

Yes.

**Fearspect**

The rule on GoI states that the unit moves as if it has deepstruck. This is important as it only tells you how to place them on the table (They did not actually deep strike).