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Hi everyone (the few that lurks in this area anyway)

I got myself armybuilder a while ago, but ive never made a WoC list there before since i pretty much have all the points for models/marks in my head.
When i made a 1500pts recently i added 5 Knights with MoK and was shocked to the very foundations of my soul when i saw that the Steeds got an extra attack aswell!

I was under the impression that Frenzied models passed on the frenzy to their mounts but NOT models with MoK.

So... has this changed? if so, when? Is it bug in armybuilder? I scouted some random forums but the opinions were pretty much fifty-fifty.
If it has changed since 7th ed or something ive missed out on a bunch of attacks :<

Its pretty well spelled out in the brb.
MoK grants frenzy, frenzy/ hatred apply to mount if the rider is effected. Its why dark elf dragons/ manticore's are even better.

This is a change to the previous "warriors" (read: hordes) book, in that the MoK is very explicitly NORMAL frenzy, and as such is conferred to the mount as normal for psychology.

IF you think thats nasty try Nurgle Knights with the always-frenzied banner...

The Erratta on the GW Website begs to differ. It says that all models except Khornate warriors on their steeds get that rule because of the wording of the rule. Perhaps this was for the old hordes book, but I'll tell you what... most Tourney Organizers love to hate on chaos, so Khorne gets screwed every time.

Erm, no it doesnt. The errate at http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2350036_WarriorsofChaosFAQFeb2009.pdf states *nothing* about the Mark Of Khorne. Neither does the FAQ proper.

Perhaps you are using the one for the old book?

Sounds like that's the case. I remember being frustrated by that ruling, which came about because of the "reminder" that frenzy did not apply to the mounts (which was the universal case at the time), That was a reference to a rule in the main book that changed when 7th ed came out. Shows what can happen when ypu're too lazy to do your own FAQ.

Thanks for the answers guys, but what i can't remember is where i read the part that specifically stated that frenzy from MoK does'nt affect the mount :/

*Starts digging out the Hordes of Chaos book*

EDIT: It specifically states that the "mount" does not get frenzy in the Hordes of Chaos armybook while in the new it says "The model is subject to frenzy".

Then another question arise... Is a Lord on dragon one model or two models?

A Lord on Dragon is one model according to the definition of a monstrous mount, page oooh 93 i believe.

Either way it is irrelevant, as the Lord has frenzy and therefore the mount does as wel, according to the rules for psychology transferring.

nosferatu1001 wrote:A Lord on Dragon is one model according to the definition of a monstrous mount, page oooh 93 i believe.

Either way it is irrelevant, as the Lord has frenzy and therefore the mount does as wel, according to the rules for psychology transferring.

Ahh once again the infinite wisdom of dakka has helped me out
thanks alot!

My Question is answered!

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470856_Warhammer_FAQ_2008-02_Edition.pdf


Page 3, right hand side, midway down.

Ragnar4 wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470856_Warhammer_FAQ_2008-02_Edition.pdf


Page 3, right hand side, midway down.

It specifically says so in the "Hordes of Chaos" book too, but since that one is old and the description has changed in "Warriors of Chaos" where it states that the "model is subject to frenzy" I don't really know what to follow.

Ragnar 4 - that's the old one :-). Warriors came out in 2009 I believe. If you look at your link and the link from nosferatu1001 you will see that yours is 2008-02 while nosferatu1001 is Feb2009.

Frenzy confers to the mount as previously mentioned. Hopefully that helps.

Note that the Mark of Khorne in the Hordes of Chaos
book is an exception to this, as it clearly states that it only
confers the extra attack to the rider/crew and not to the
mounts/creatures pulling the chariot.

This is a direct reference to the Hordes of Chaos Army Book and not the new Warriors of Chaos Army Book. So yes MoK will effect the mounts.

Exact wording from Mark of Khorne in the rulebook.
A Model with the mark of khorne is subject to frenzy.

Following ROW, the mount would have frenzy as well.

Yeah, I've tried that Argument too. I really don't care because I'm not a chaos player, but our TO's love to hate Chaos. So they are willing to make a coverage rule.

Problem with little shop run tournaments. They are subject to the lay of the land.

Mortals are a mid tier army so there should be no reason to hate on them.

Also the WoC book is significantly different from the HoC book that they are no longer even remotely similar.