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If a zoenthrope is tank shocked, can it use one of its physic shooting attack as a Death or Glory attack?

I imagine you would take a physic test and auto hit if you could.

I could not find anything that went one way or the other in the rules.

eimaj wrote:If a zoenthrope is tank shocked, can it use one of its physic shooting attack as a Death or Glory attack?

I imagine you would take a physic test and auto hit if you could.

I could not find anything that went one way or the other in the rules.

Yes and Yes.

Page 50 states: Using a psychic shooting attack counts as firing a ranged weapon.
Page 69 states: The attack can be either a shot from a weapon carried by the model, or a single close combat attack using any weapon carried, including grenades.

Therefore, one can use a Psychic shooting attack when making a Death or Glory attempt.

Interesting question, really. D&G allows a shot from a ranged weapon or a melee attack - PSA "counts as" firing a ranged weapon. Would make sense that a psyker blast the tank instead of hitting it with his forehead I guess.

Enemies would probably also be able to use a Psychic Hood or similar then?

Spetulhu wrote:Enemies would probably also be able to use a Psychic Hood or similar then?

Yes. It is still a psychic power, so can be negated as normal by Psychic Hoods and similar.

Let's complicate it some more-- assume it passes the check, and blows up the vehicle.

If I tank shock it again (because I'm secretly a masochist), can it use the power again? or does the 1/turn preclude that?

kartofelkopf wrote:Let's complicate it some more-- assume it passes the check, and blows up the vehicle.

If I tank shock it again (because I'm secretly a masochist), can it use the power again? or does the 1/turn preclude that?

The one per turn precludes that. The fact it can even use the power at all is because they can use one per PLAYER turn, as opposed to game turn.

If you tank shock it again, it cannot now use another psychic power as it has already used up it's allotment for the turn. If it was a squad of psykers however, such as 3 Zoanthropes, a Different model could attempt to use the psychic power as that specific model has not used any that turn.

Of course if he/she/it/gfhtzjs can use two, three or eighty five powers per turn, they could use a Psychic Shooting attack again, as the rules for tank shock allow you to fire a weapon even if you have alreadt fired one in that movement phase, since the rules for tank shock are more specific than the general shooting rules.

You can use the power again, as you aer only prohibited from using a weapon more than once in your own shooting phase - DoG is "special" in many ways....

nosferatu1001 wrote:You can use the power again, as you aer only prohibited from using a weapon more than once in your own shooting phase - DoG is "special" in many ways....

I disagree. You can use a weapon again, but you are not permitted to use another psychic power again.

Its a case of DoG removing one restriction (1 weapon per turn) but NOT removing the other (1 Power per turn), the same way as Fleet removes 1 Restriction for assault (You cannot have Ran) but not any other (you cannot have disembarked from a non open topped vehicle that moved).

Also, this is a Hoversnail. Your Argument is thus Invalid.

Hmm, guess you're right on that...you could use the "weapon" but not the startup sequence (psychic power) needed to get the weapon to do anything.

So the second tank gets a Zoey headbut....

nosferatu1001 wrote:You can use the power again, as you aer only prohibited from using a weapon more than once in your own shooting phase - DoG is "special" in many ways....

DoG is special in many ways, however it does not magically create another player turn in which the same PSA can be used in... DoG is in fact a special case, yes, but not magical. If the model can only use 1 Psychic ability per turn, then it can only use one psychic ability per turn.

I guess you didnt read the rest of the thread where i acknowledged that...

So what happens if the Psychic Power is negated by a Psychic Hood?

Is then the model making the DoG attack removed as a casualty because it failed to immobilize or destroy the vehicle?

Frostreaver wrote:So what happens if the Psychic Power is negated by a Psychic Hood?

Is then the model making the DoG attack removed as a casualty because it failed to immobilize or destroy the vehicle?

Yes

Frostreaver wrote:So what happens if the Psychic Power is negated by a Psychic Hood?

Is then the model making the DoG attack removed as a casualty because it failed to immobilize or destroy the vehicle?

Yes. The vehicle hardly stopped now, did it?

Okay, let me see if I got this right...

Using a psychic shooting attack counts as firing a weapon.

You can normally only shoot a weapon once a turn.

You can normally only use one psychic power turn.

DoG allows you to fire a weapon, so therefor you can use a psychic shooting attack.

DoG allows you to make multiple shots as long as get tank shocked multiple times.

So why would DoG not allow you to make multiple psychic shooting attacks?

My thought would be if you are allowed to use a psychic shooting attack at all you could make multiples if it arises.

loomisc wrote:Okay, let me see if I got this right...

Using a psychic shooting attack counts as firing a weapon.

You can normally only shoot a weapon once a turn.

You can normally only use one psychic power turn.

DoG allows you to fire a weapon, so therefor you can use a psychic shooting attack.

DoG allows you to make multiple shots as long as get tank shocked multiple times.

So why would DoG not allow you to make multiple psychic shooting attacks?

My thought would be if you are allowed to use a psychic shooting attack at all you could make multiples if it arises.

Because DoG does not allow you to use multiple Psychic Powers.

loomisc wrote:Okay, let me see if I got this right...

Using a psychic shooting attack counts as firing a weapon.

You can normally only shoot a weapon once a turn.

You can normally only use one psychic power turn.

DoG allows you to fire a weapon, so therefor you can use a psychic shooting attack.

DoG allows you to make multiple shots as long as get tank shocked multiple times.

So why would DoG not allow you to make multiple psychic shooting attacks?

My thought would be if you are allowed to use a psychic shooting attack at all you could make multiples if it arises.

Does DoG allow you to make multiple psychic tests in a turn? If not, you cannot "fire" a psychic shooting attack, no matter how many "shooting" attacks you're allowed.

It's the same reason that Hive Tyrant's can't use two psychic shooting attacks while the Swarmlord can - he is allowed to use two powers before he is allowed to shoot two weapons. The normal tyrant is allowed to shoot two weapons which may be psychic shooting attacks, but is not allowed to use two powers in the same turn.

Edit: Damn. Ninja'd.

Just noting that I've always played Warptime incorrectly since I missed the "player turn" part.

I could've used it twice as often, and I use it a lot as-is.

Can't argue with the hoversnail. I guess the 'thropes would just have to move if they've run out of PSAs.

My say on this is:


MOER CUPC4KES.

Uhm, yes, valid point also..



I rest my case.