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I need help. I can't figure out how to use them? or when to use them? is it before you roll for deployment? the codex seems rather vague. . .

You place them after putting out terrain, so before anything is deployed.

nielsen333 wrote:I need help. I can't figure out how to use them? or when to use them? is it before you roll for deployment? the codex seems rather vague. . .

You place them before deployment, after terrain has been decided upon.

You also place them at the start of the game. The rules really are not as clear in this case as most people claim they are.

To head off a repeat of the last silly argument over this:

The entry actually says to place them 'at the start of the game, after terrain is placed...'

It has been argued that, since it doesn't actually say 'immediately after terrain is placed' you actually place them at the 'Start the Game' step, so after deployment.

It seems fairly clear, though, that the mention of it happening 'after terrain is placed' is supposed to mean that you place terrain, and then you place the mines, and the reference to the 'start of the game' is to the bit before the game starts where you're setting up, rather than the specific 'start the game' step shown on the chart on page 86 of the rulebook.


So let's not go down that road again, hmm?

insaniak wrote:

the reference to the 'start of the game' is to the bit before the game starts where you're setting up, rather than the specific 'start the game' step shown on the chart on page 86 of the rulebook.


So let's not go down that road again, hmm?

Can you please explain from a RAW stand point how this is clear? I mean if people say the START of the game is after deployment when it comes to things like Cobolu re-rolling ability, then it should be consistant to every reference to Start of the game.

From a Raw standpoint the mines should be placed after scout moves have occured.

jbunny wrote:Can you please explain from a RAW stand point how this is clear?

I never said my argument was RAW. Just that it was clear that it is how the rule is supposed to work.

If it simply said 'at the start of the game' without any other clarifier, then we would have to assume they mean the 'Start the Game' step shown on page 86.


From a strict RAW viewpoint, yes, the argument remains that the only reference in the rules to the 'start of the game' is that specific step. But RAW assumes that the statement 'after terrain is placed' is superfluous and doesn't actually mean anything.

If we instead assume that this statement is supposed to tell us something useful, (which seems a fair assumtion, since it's printed in the rule) it becomes clear when the mines are supposed to be used.

Well do we normally place terrain after the game has started?

So Start of game is after terrain has been placed. It is just reinforcing when it occurs.

To be honest, i could careless when it is placed. My point is I get tired of these RAW monkeys picking and choicing when they use RAW for the basis of their arguments, noticable when it best suits their situation. If you are going to go with one interputation then that needs to be your interputation for all rules.

jbunny wrote:Well do we normally place terrain after the game has started?

So Start of game is after terrain has been placed. It is just reinforcing when it occurs.

I'm not sure what you're actually arguing here.

The cluster mines are placed 'at the start of the game, after terrain has been placed'... not 'after the game has started'...

To be honest, i could careless when it is placed. My point is I get tired of these RAW monkeys picking and choicing when they use RAW for the basis of their arguments, noticable when it best suits their situation. If you are going to go with one interputation then that needs to be your interputation for all rules.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I 'pick and choose' when to use RAW based on how well the RAW actually fits the situation. Because that's, ultimately, the way the game winds up being played.

Arguing strictly based on RAW gets you an understanding of what the rulebook says... but it doesn't help you play the game.

But do I place it before we have chosen deployment zones? Or after? . . And what if I place them in a piece of terrain he deploys in? Does he get the damage in the first turn?

You place terrain, then choose deployment zones (after the roll off)

So, from the way that "after terrain is deployed" shouldnt be entirely superfluous, you place the terrain THEN place the mines THEN decide deployment (etc)

Deployment is NOT movement.

Basically you can mine a terrain piece on yourside that you'd rather want.

It's lovely.