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Treeman Ancient, Annoyance of Nettlings = 350
Branchwraith, Lvl 1, Cluster of Radiants = 140
Branchwraith, Lvl 1, Murder of Spites = 140
Branchwraith, Terror = 115
8 x 8 Dryads (64 total), 2 upgraded to branch nymphs = 792
6 Treekin = 390
6 Treekin = 390
3 Treekin = 195
3 Treekin = 195
Treeman = 285
Total = 2992

Or, I could drop the second and third Branchwraiths and the branch nypmhs, and add in another Treeman. If the rumors about only having 3 special units the same are true, I’d combine the two smaller Treekin units.

What do you think, bearing in mind this is a list for 8th edition (based on rumors only, of course)? I’ve got 25% Core, under 25% Heroes and Rare, and under 50% Special. I've put terror on the last branchwraith instead of making it a level 1 wizard, but I could swap that. There's not enough room in the 25% to give it a spite, though.

Would the extra Treeman be better instead of the additional Branchwraiths?

If the rumors are true you have no scoring units. Only banners score (just realized this myself as well)

I really wouldn't worry about 8th ed. rumors too much. The biggest problem I see is that over half your army is flammable. The other problem is no shooting or movement over 5".

GMM- I know . I'm kind of banking on that rumor not being true...? The only units I own that can even take banners are two units of wild riders. So if that's true, I'm in trouble no matter what I do! I guess wood elf players would be relying on glade riders units to claim objectives, if it's true...

Boogeyman- you're right of course, although I'm hoping that the two-ranks of treekin might be somewhat nasty if both ranks get to attack. The oodles of dryads are pretty much a must, since it takes that many (well, 63) to get to 25%!

Here's hoping the banner-rumor is a myth...

Well that is the intention of 8th - to make infantry blocks better/more important, so it is in line with the rest of the rumors. I feel pretty strongly that is going to be in there. It follows 40k as well which a lot of these rumors are doing.

Cant you take glade guard? Wood elves can take several foot units with banners IIRC.

Glade guard, riders, and eternal guard (if army is lead by a highborn) are all core choices that can take banners. Wild riders are the only other choice (special) that can take banners. So if it is only core choices WE players have to rely on a fast calvary unit or their ranged unit to try to capture objectives. That is just wrong.

Besides putting in elves in an all tree army theme, kind of defeats the purpose of making an army you think is cool. That is kind of why, I don't think GW would try to stop people from building a themed army they are interested in. Goes against their motto of playing for fun and for the hobby of it. But I am just a peon and they can do whatever they want, hopefully the gamers and hobbyists can still build something they like.

Yes, I've been thinking about it, too... it seems to me that WE will lose their advantage of being able to evade the enemy if they're forced to compete for objectives with banner-only units. Glade guard, glade riders, and even wild riders can't do much more than swoop in on the last turn to try to contest one. Eternal guard can be a tarpit unit, of course, but they're the exception to the rule for WE...

I'm hoping someone smarter than me has taken this into account and figured out a way for WE to fight for objectives! Ideally by the rumor of needing a banner to contest them being false... That said, for other armies I can see why they'd want to push banners- if it turns out to be core-only (not certain) it'd keep a lot of cheap skirmishing core units from contesting them. But for now, I'm hoping my army will still be viable, and planning accordingly

Edit: Here's how it'd look with the second Treeman:

Treeman Ancient, Annoyance of Nettlings = 350
Branchwraith, Lvl 1, Cluster of Radiants = 140
8 x 8 Dryads (64 total) = 768
2 x 6 Treekin = 780
2 x 3 Treekin = 390
2 x Treeman = 570
Total = 2998

I can also play with the Treekin unit configurations, depending on what's most effective... I could run one unit of 6, with three units of 4 (or four units of 3). Unless only three repeat special units are allowed, in which case it can only be three units of 6 (and hopefully the new rules make it worth it!)

If the banner thing is true, I think you can still manage by one of two factors:
1) Contesting. While a non-Troop choice in 40K can't claim an objective, unless we've been playing wrong they can still contest one.
2) Eradicating the enemy. Of course, most scenarios carry the clause that "You massacre your opponent's army, you win the game."

Plus, well... there's always the rumored "Capture standards to win" scenario wherein you just take one and have a victory by default.

Minsc wrote:If the banner thing is true, I think you can still manage by one of two factors:
1) Contesting. While a non-Troop choice in 40K can't claim an objective, unless we've been playing wrong they can still contest one.
2) Eradicating the enemy. Of course, most scenarios carry the clause that "You massacre your opponent's army, you win the game."

Plus, well... there's always the rumored "Capture standards to win" scenario wherein you just take one and have a victory by default.

Wood elves would be great at contesting objectives!!!!

Eradicating the enemy... Not so much

That costs a small fortune to get all the treekins and you still loses most of the time.

That's definitely what I'll be depending on, if banners are needed to claim objectives- contesting! However, it's possible I might need to rework the whole thing if that's the case... my two units of wild riders aren't sturdy enough to survive and claim things if the enemy wants them dead.

wildger- I already own half of the treekin, and just purchased the rest and am having them commissioned... at a discount they're about $15 apiece, which isn't too bad of a price to points cost in-game ratio. I actually think the dryads cost more for their points... however, GW is raising the price on treekin on June 1, so they'll be pricier soon!

Update based on rumors: Well, a few things I've seen haven't mentioned needing banners to claim/contest objectives, so there's hope there!

However, I'm also seeing a max of 3 of the same special for 2K. It might go up for 3K, but at anything less, I'd need to be running the treekin in 2x3 formations (if I want to use all of them, which might not necessarily be true!).

Another idea is for me to take Orion and get all of my wildriders units as core. It's a pricey way to go, but it could get me some banners, and still allow me to take the treekin. Hopefully, it won't come to that and I can still go ALL TREES BABY !

I was going to suggest the Orion making wild riders as core thing too. But you are right, they aren't trees.