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So about two weeks ago I was up against a Dark Angel player using first company inside some land raiders.
During his shooting phase he used power of the machine spirit and said he hits on 5+ since he is using Dark Angel Codex.
I felt it was kind of dumb for him to be hitting on a 5+ while all the new codex hits on a 3+. So I told him I would allow him to use updated rules, which made him happy.
Now my question is how do you guys feel about this? Do you ever allow old armies to field 35 point rhinos instead of the crappy 50 point versions... etc?

I have no problem letting people do that in anything but a 'Ard Boyz tourney.

Tournament are different. I was simply just talking about your average pick up game.

Yeah, I'd allow it in friendly games.

No

But thats not because I like being a bad opponent. The older codexs also get some better stuff so I see it as balanced. If I was playing DH I would allow them to use improved bionics (a slight improvement) but I would insist NFW counted as normal force weapons rather than ignoring EW (my current view of how NFW work).

That is true and you do make a fair point. Such as some older codex which smokes turns all pens into glance would now be a 4+ cover save.

Definitely not.
If you're playing a codex, you play by the rules of that codex.

Of course, I wouldn't be a d*** about it, though.


Eric

Yes I let it slide. You shouldn't punish the player just because his 'dex is gathering dust on GW development shelves.

A Ben Franklin quote goes something like this:

"Compromises are good things. Our country is founded upon a compromise. However, if one player in chess asks the other for change to the rules, should he not allow the other to make a similar change?"

From the other side I play BT and I hapilly use my codex in total, with BS2 PotMS and Drop Pods, and 50 pt Rhino's (as well as 6 man squads with a heavy and special weapon in a razorback, and Master of Sanctity and my Emprerors Champion with his crazy vows ). I win more than I lose so there must be something there to balance things out.

zeshin wrote:From the other side I play BT and I hapilly use my codex in total, with BS2 PotMS and Drop Pods, and 50 pt Rhino's (as well as 6 man squads with a heavy and special weapon in a razorback, and Master of Sanctity and my Emprerors Champion with his crazy vows ). I win more than I lose so there must be something there to balance things out.

Which just goes to show that we got change for change sake, rather than rebalancing.

Gotta love that planned obsolescence.

I've got no problem allowing an opponent make a small change to one of the rules, provided I get the same benefit. If he gets an improved machine spirit, then my DH should, too. If he gets to use the current version of a gun, then my DH assault cannons should count as the current.

Blackpudding427 wrote:Yes I let it slide. You shouldn't punish the player just because his 'dex is gathering dust on GW development shelves.

Solidarity for the Xenos! and... oddly enough... for the Inquisition too.

I'd talk to the guy about it before the game. If a dude wanted to use the new stormshield rules for his one stormshield guy I'd be fine with that, if it was for ten guys then I think it'd be more reasonable to build his list with the regular SM codex. I'm not so certain about points costs, that seems to open up a whole range of dodgy ideas.

UltraPrime wrote:

zeshin wrote:From the other side I play BT and I hapilly use my codex in total, with BS2 PotMS and Drop Pods, and 50 pt Rhino's (as well as 6 man squads with a heavy and special weapon in a razorback, and Master of Sanctity and my Emprerors Champion with his crazy vows ). I win more than I lose so there must be something there to balance things out.

Which just goes to show that we got change for change sake, rather than rebalancing.

If the only possible purposes of a codex' redesign were rebalancing and change for change's sake you'd be onto something. They're not. Redesigning a codex can bring in new units, rebalance units within the codex to get people playing the formerly weaker units, and most importantly rework special rules to get an army playing in a more interesting or fluffy way. A codex can be changed massively without becoming stronger or weaker.

I wouldn't do it. There'd be no end to the changes once you start with that and I'd rather spend my time playing then talking about rules.