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OK so i was flicking through the 'nid codex again (i was bored) at my FLGS, and i thought of this 2,000 point army:
HQ
2X Tervigons w/ crushing claws, regenerate, adrenal glands & toxin sacs- 430pts

Elites
The doom of malan'tai w/ mycetic spore- 130pts

Troops
3X termagant broods w/ devourers, adrenal glands & toxin sacs- 504pts
2X tervigons w/ crushing claws, regenerate, adrenal glands & toxin sacs- 660pts (The scuttling swarm special rule)
1X tervigon w/ crushing claws, adrenal glands & toxin sacs- 195pts
Heavy support
Old one eye w/ mycetic spore- 300pts

Total- 1999pts

What do you think?

I do good?

That's a lot of Termagaunts, could probably swarm most anything, but what about vehicles? Termies can't do squat, TDOM has to charge up, Tervies are ok I guess so all that leaves is OOE.

All these Tervigones and no one psionic powers? this really looks like a non-sense list imo.

Of course you'll gonna cover the table with little bugs and this will maybe grats you a victory thanks to a war of attrition most of times.

Teorically looks solid, the adversary will have not time to kill everything on the table but are you gonna enjoy this style of play? I will not for sure.

Origianl list in any case.

PS: imagine a lucky Orbital bombardment, just finished to field your Termagants and you'll be forced to replace everything in the bag..

2X tervigons w/ crushing claws, regenerate, adrenal glands & toxin sacs- 660pts (The scuttling swarm special rule)

Seems like a lot of points. Is that math correct? I get 235 per Tervigon, putting the pair at 470, not 660.

old one eye cant have a spore

hehe I'd get a giggle seeing this list pop out like 15-20 termagaunts turn one and doubling on all the rolls.

As far as taking down vehicles, as long as it has a rear armor 10 you could glance it to death

Do you have 200+ termigaunts modelled up and ready to go?

Hope you don't run into a 3+ landraider list or you might as well concede the game.

Toban wrote:this really looks like a non-sense list imo.

Hey! Be nice, why do you give people negative feedbacks when you don't even know them?

Wings of Purity wrote:

Toban wrote:this really looks like a non-sense list imo.

Hey! Be nice, why do you give people negative feedbacks when you don't even know them?

...because he put the list up for feedback...
so he got just that; feedback that happened to be negative...

but anyway it seems like any other unit-x-spam list...
it will walk through some armies, and be destroyed by a select few other armies...

i think for this list to be good you need some long range anti armour, a la zoanthropes or hive guard...
and one eye just doesnt seem worth the points to me, especially since he cant take a pod...

Oh oops, my bad, but I still like this list.
No matter what other people say, every list(most lists) has its own power and if you use it well, it would give you a wonderful feedback

Wings of Purity wrote:Oh oops, my bad, but I still like this list.
No matter what other people say, every list(most lists) has its own power and if you use it well, it would give you a wonderful feedback

*Blinks*

No, no, no... in reality, most lists have very little power. At my game's club, only a handful of people run really competitive lists. And I don't mean they -call- them competitive, I mean they -are- competitive. Casual lists can range from mediocre to so God awful they should never see the light of day...

That said, this particular list has a fair potential to do some damage, but I can see it getting bogged down by armour, or even just sheer quantity of models. (Certainly not a good tourney list)

And One Eye is pretty meh... not sure he'll be worth the cost.

Wings of Purity wrote:

Toban wrote:this really looks like a non-sense list imo.

Hey! Be nice, why do you give people negative feedbacks when you don't even know them?

Well, of course excuse me for the tone.. it wasn't my intention to be rude.
However, to really be honest, I was considering the only tactics available with this list.

You'll can virtually "shield" 2 or 3 Tervigons by simply blocking the passage with large brood Termagants, this way maybe you'll avoid some assault.
Besides you'll can cast FnP on each Tervigons with the others.
I think you will advance on the table for a little but vs a sage adversary (and even vs a foolish one with just 7/8 Lascannon/MM or similar) you'll see alla yours MC nuked one by one.

No other option man, just the hope of an adversary ignoring you.. sry for the negative feedback but that's the true.

Everything said, I think that if you want you can for sure run a swarm list, just consider to invest on heavy support that will DS in the face of the enemy lines and elite choices that will help you giving fir support.
Trygons, Zoanthopes and Hive Guards are the best options.

You can free up alot of points for some zoanthropes by dropping all your claws and regeneration upgrades, almost enough points for two squads of 2 with spores, you need zoanthropes to bust tanks open, the doom cant do it solo. they will also take some attention away from the doom which will be shot to pieces the moment it lands.

drop old one eye and take a trygon, in your list Old One Eye will be priority number 1 and never make it to combat, the DSing trygon will at leas have a chance. it might even be better to put 2 trygons in and maybe only go for 3 zoanthropes in a pod if the points will allow for it.. trygons will soak up a great deal of fire and let the doom and zoanthropes do their thing

your tervs also need onslaught or catalyst.. i would recommend 3 with catalyst and 2 with onslaught... onslaught will help the devourer gaunts immensely.

I've flipped LRs with tervigons before.

I like your signature,bear wiped on the rabbit...

Iboshi2 wrote:

2X tervigons w/ crushing claws, regenerate, adrenal glands & toxin sacs- 660pts (The scuttling swarm special rule)

Seems like a lot of points. Is that math correct? I get 235 per Tervigon, putting the pair at 470, not 660.

oh right, thanx. i make it 160 standard, 25 crushing claws, 25 regenerate, 5 adrenal glands, 5 toxin sacs- 220 each
so then i can have some zoanthropes.

tervigons- 1100 total
gaunts- 351 total
OOE WITHOUT POD (sorry about that)- 260 total
doom- 130 total
total- 1836- 164pts left
2x zoanthropes in a brood w/ mycetic spore-160
TOTAL- 2001 pts!

shrike wrote:
oh right, thanx. i make it 160 standard, 25 crushing claws, 25 regenerate, 5 adrenal glands, 5 toxin sacs- 220 each

Mmmm, no. Adrenal Glands and Toxin Sacs are 10 points each for Tervigons.
Don't take regen, it's really a waste of points.


About the latest edits, I still dislike the list.
It look a bit more balanced but I'll replace in anycase the OOE (even if it's super fluffy) in something different.
If you want to stay on a carnifex (due to the models availables maybe) consider a regular Fex with 2x TL Devourer and the Spod.
At least it will seriously risk to damage an infantry unit the turn he lands and after he will alwais will be able to manage with heavy armoured vehicles with st9 and 5 attacks on charge.

Consider also to simplify yours Gaunts broods, even dropping all these Devourers, to build up one Hive Guards brood. At least of 2 of them.
They're simply fantastic vs light armor (as Rhinos..), they don't need LoS and with the T6 can survive a lot.


Philosophical digression..

I like Tervigons, in some match they can change a lot of situations with some interesting combos but in anycase are too slow for the "Nid style" of nowadays.
If you slow down all your army you will inevitably suffer by the basic potential of 90% of the armyes. The shooting fase.
You really will need to be "on his face" asap and your selection of pieces isn't exaclty the better one for this target.
I will not change a list like this, it have a philosophy, a play-style and even a fluffy background.

I will change somethings to gain just the versatility necessary to "try" vs all armyes.
Vs some race will be really hard to stay on play a lot of turns, vs some others we can work with.

In your shoes I will try to work on a list like this one:

HQ - Tervigon - Crushing Claws - Catalyst - Onslaught - Adrenal Glands - Toxin sacs. 235
TR - 3x 10x Termagants (no optional on them, they will die too fast..). 150
TR - 3x Tervigon - Crushing Claws - Catalyst - Onslaught - Adrenal Glands - Toxin sacs. 705
EL - 2x 3x Hive Guards brood. 300
EL - 3x Zoanthropes in Spod. 220

At this point you are just at 1610 points, of course you have one less Tervigon in in conparison with your list but you'll can invest on heavy choices this way and your 4 Mommy still can generate tons of Gaunts.
Besides, having the 2 psyonic power on all them you'll can take advantage by the use of Trygons in example but even potentially cover each other one with Catalyst.

at the risk of sounding neg, ill agree armor is going to give you trouble, and sence almost every list is going to be fielding armor at this pt level you realy need to be able to handle it. realy your only choice is going to be the zoanthrops, i would put in 2 units of 2 for this list. imo hive guards dont realy fit well here, they work best in a force with more guns. you need a unit that can handle AV 14 as well as AV 11. as for your tervigons kill off all the crushing claws, regenerations, adrenal glands, and toxin sacs. pick up catalyst, these guys dont do well with melee troops, a power fist will walk all over them. use these points to pick up something that is used for melee. ( i realy dotn care what, just something, trigon, tyrant, or more little bugs?)
even with these ideas, bottom line is that you need to kill of all the las and plas on the table for you to win the game. if you cant do that then you are toast.

In a 3000 pt army list take terms and hormagaunts


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In a 3000 pt army list take terms and hormagaunts

Forget shooting, just go all out monsters

Stompy 2k

Trygon [Adrenal Glands] 210
Trygon [Adrenal Glands] 210
Trygon [Adrenal Glands] 210

Tervigon [Scything Talons, Cluster Spines, Adrenal, Toxin, Catalyst] 200
Tervigon [Scything Talons, Cluster Spines, Adrenal, Toxin, Catalyst] 200
Tervigon [Scything Talons, Cluster Spines, Adrenal, Toxin, Catalyst] 200
10 Termagaunts 50
10 Termagaunts 50
10 Termagaunts 50

Doom of Malan'tai wSpod [Twing linked Death Spitter] 140

Hive Tyrant [Wings, Scything x2, Adrenal, Paroxysm, Pyschic Scream] 240

Hive Tyrant [Wings, Scything x2, Adrenal, Paroxysm, Pyschic Scream] 240

And no one has noticed that he has spent points on biomorph upgrades for termagants.

You need to use the tervigons ability to gain poison and furious charge on your gants, and not spend points on buying them.

I also agree that regeneration and old one eye are pretty soft.

Dave you have run that list, right? Didn't you say you rocked Shane's Orks with it? Or you had 5 tervigons, if I remember correctly.

I would just pray for objective games, otherwise your spawning five VERY easy kill points per turn

Well in that case you obviously don't spawn the termagants.

can you choose not to spawn them? i've never tryed to not to

dunno, but why would you want to stop? can't be killed if you shoot 'em before they get you.


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BlueDagger wrote:hehe I'd get a giggle seeing this list pop out like 15-20 termagaunts turn one and doubling on all the rolls.

As far as taking down vehicles, as long as it has a rear armor 10 you could glance it to death

not 15-20 guants, on average it will be 52-53!
3 D6 guants spawned each, 5 tervigons, so 15 D6 gaunts per turn. on average 3.5 per dice rolled, so 3.5x15=52.5!!!

53 guants a turn! maximum 75, minimum 30!