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Going head to head in a 2500 point battle against Blood Angels.

He wanted to stress test the codex and we figured Grey Knights would be a good match up.

What do I have to worry about with BA?

The only thing I am scared of right now is fast vindicators...

FNP makes normal STR 6 hits from troops choice grey knights half as effective as they normally would be against MEQ.

FNP is a big problem.

take as many terminators as possable for the power weapons.

They only get FNP from the Sanguinor?...is that it?

And those damned sanguinary priests!

Here is the list I have so far

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/296316.page

No.
All sanguinary priests give all units within 6 inches FNP and furious charge

Needs moar terminators.

Oops

Fafnir wrote:Needs moar terminators.

I agree. W/ furious charge and FnP, your PA GK are outmatched man for man if they get the charge.

More Terminators???...hm...I have like 6 more...but I hate running them or deepstriking them


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Sorry...I am a little overconfident in my PAGKs and I know it...I once had 5 PAGKs take out most of a squad of 30 Bloodclaws...and last week a Full Thunderwolf unit charged a squad of 6 and ended up falling back after they assaulted me.

If your opponent wouldn't mind a *cringe* proxy *cringe* then you could substitute a normal land raider for a crusader. Then drop maybe some PA GK's for some more terminators in the crusader.

I have a Crusader handy as well...I hate the triple raider...I won't do three unless I hit 3000 points...personal belief though I do see the benefit.


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Oh...substitute...hm..that might work...and Holocaust is a personal favorite I have yet to add.

Ahh, then you could just turn a LR into a LRC, and take some more terminators, multiple units of terminators would probably be better though, as the others have said, terminators will bring you far.

PAGK suck. Terminators are the best on-foot unit in that codex. Take more.

PAGK are my bread and butter...If Terminators were scoring...we could talk...but I will see what I can do...maybe some Storm Troopers could be decommissioned as well.

And though I like the game changing effect of a melta strike coming down each turn...I will think about stealing those points too.


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I am expecting to face lots of assault marines now

What I would be nervous about is sanguinary guard with an attached priest. Assuming you arent hiding in raiders, or he blows you out of your transport, that is a unit that can make short work of a squad of PAGK and put serious hurt on a GKTS if they charge. FNP and 2+ save mean they are basically immune to almost all your shooting, as GK have little to no S8 or ap2 guns if i remember right.

Yep, when a priest is attached, even the Blood Angels most basic infantry outclass PAGK.

Sorry to say it, but Grey Knights are not the army you want to "stress test" BA with. I would stress test against Straken Guard.

Going toe to toe with Blood Angels, you're going to need those Terminators more than ever.

10 Grey Knights on foot are going to be a tough nut to crack; however, they will be cracked...

No matter what your biggest threat is going to be the speed with your opponents armor. I would get as much long ranged firepower as humanly possible. Inquisitorial Storm Troopers with their melta are an option; however, you're almost never going to be in range or if you are in range you're going to be writing off the entire unit. Blood Angels are stupid fast and they will be in your lines on the 1st turn if not the second so be as aggressive as possible, if it means dumping 3 Land Raiders full of Terminators onto them, so be it.

Your options are pretty limited so put your best foot forward and hope it doesn't get bitten off.

Grey Knights are the army to stress test them with...assault army versus best assault troops in the game.

That's besides the point.

Oh...they'll be coming to my lines?

This is new...I suddenly feel more confident.

Sanguinary Guard might be a problem though Shoggoth...that's a very good point

lolgreyknightsassault armylol

PAGK are horrible assault units, and Terminators may be excellent in combat, but they're also great outside of combat too. Grey Knights are by no stretch an assault army, they're meant to be able to adapt to their enemy's weaknesses. Great shooting (best basic infantry projectile in the game) and great CC options (in the ways of terminators, and assassins only--PAGK should only use assault as a last resort unless against units horrible in assault, like Tau or IG). Allow them to fight on their terms in most situations.

Or, at least, theoretically. But the codex has not aged well at all.

Against BA's you need as many power weapons as possable.

GKTs are bargain priced(compared to PAGKs) they only cost 6 pts more then vanilla terminators


Against BA's you ALWAYS want to charge. any army that has FC needs to be charged by you and not the other way around. even if you don't get the bonus at least they won't either.


i would have your terminators spread out infront of your PAGKs, who should form a castled gunline.

Terminators charge when the BA's are in range and the PAGKs should as well.


IIRC, BA's still can't assault out of DS(except for vanguard) so you will likely get the charge off.




BTW: at 'Ard boyz i had a BA player run a footsloggin Jpack army supported by Grey Knight terminators. FNP on GKs is ultimate

Your termies need to watch out for BA termies or Sanguinary Guard. They hit on I5 with lighting claws or power weapons if they get the charge off. In a power weapon smackdown contest I5>Str6

PAGK may be your bread and butter, and they are a good unit, but they are chumps against BA as long as the priest is still alive. If you can kill his priest then all the BA assault marines become nothing more than assault marines without combat tactics.

And as for the BA player running grey knight termies in his army they don't just get FNP they get FC. I5 Str7 FNP GK termies are just plain wrong....

Haha...Ridiculous...and I thought the Terminators were already overpowered.


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Don't forget WS5 by the way...

Grey Knight Terminators are not overpowered. They may be the best terminators in the game, but they can still be countered by the same counters that normal terminators have, and have problems that normal terminators don't (armour being the big one).

Well everything has a counter...duh.

Moving on...

Grey Templar's ideas seem well suited to my own tactics and from what I have seen on dakka thus far is more GK literate than most people on here.

Yes, everything does, and GKs face the same counters that every other terminator does just as poorly.

Their strength comes from their versatility and ability to destroy elite infantry in both shooting and close combat. Their ability to add support to an army's otherwise weakpoints is excellent, and they're excellent units, but they come nowhere near to demonstrating the kind of dominance that an overpowered unit would have.

The simple fact is that an army where almost everything is crap, GKT are still really, really good. They look overpowered in comparison because they're not crap in a codex full of crap.