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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/24 17:51:20
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Infant mortality has been reduced globally as Washington University researchers claim.
The UK has been cited as having the highest infant mortality rate in Western Europe.
The US didn't do so well in reducing their death rates either.
North Africa and Latin America made the greatest strides while Sub-sahara Africa and South Asia fared the worst.
What do you guys and gals think about the good news?
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/childrens-health/articles/2010/05/24/global-death-rate-for-children-lower-than-thought.html
MONDAY, May 24 (HealthDay News) --The global death rate for children under the age of 5 appears to be significantly lower -- by as much as 800,000 fewer deaths -- than the latest mortality estimates released by UNICEF in 2008.
The fresh numbers gleaned from number-crunching conducted by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington in Seattle also indicate that many poorer nations are demonstrating faster progress at stemming the tide of under-5 deaths.
The current figures raise some hope for achieving the objectives established by the "Millennium Development Goal 4 (MDG 4)," which is aiming for a two-thirds drop in deaths among children under 5 from 1990 to 2015.
Prior statistical analyses suggested that fewer than a quarter of the world's nations were on track to meet this target. Yet despite some encouraging signs, the current review doesn't paint a much better picture overall, revealing that only 31 developing nations and a total of 54 countries out of 187 worldwide appear to be heading towards the MDG 4 finish line.
That observation comes from the IHME team's look at levels and trends for child deaths in 187 countries for the period 1970 through 2010. The authors relied on the participating country's censuses, surveys, birth records and registration systems for their data.
The researchers found that while 11.9 million children under 5 died across the world in 1990, that figure had dropped to an estimated 7.7 million in 2010.
One-third of such deaths occur in south Asia, they found, while one-half take place in sub-Saharan Africa.
In the three decades since 1970, there has been a 60 percent overall drop in worldwide child mortality rates, the team noted. In the same timeframe, infant deaths in the first 27 days after birth (neonatal period) and in the first 28 days to 12 months of age (postnatal period) dropped by 57 and 62 percent, respectively.
In another positive trend, 1970 saw 40 nations with a death rate above 200 per 1000 live births, but only 12 nations hit that mark by 1990, and none crossed that threshold by 2010. Overall, the fastest rates of decline in childhood mortality appear to be occurring in Latin America and North Africa.
On a less optimistic note, however, the authors found that not all high-income countries -- where child death rates are typically much lower than in poorer nations -- are on equal footing with one another, the IHME analysis finds.
For example, although the UK has experienced a drop in child deaths of 75 percent since 1970, the nation still has the unfortunate distinction of having the highest child mortality rates in all of Western Europe.
And rates of child death have declined by just two to three percent per year in both the U.S. and Canada since 1990 -- a significantly poorer improvement than the three to five percent decline rates experienced in most other high-income countries.
The finding is reported in the May 23 online issue of The Lancet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/24 18:04:38
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Bryan Ansell
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Has the UK reached a plateau in the medical fight against infant mortality?
Does it mean that the developing world and its increased standards of living will continue to see increases in population?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/24 18:11:31
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
Eeeveryvehr
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This gave me the image of an old man sitting on his porch with a beer in his watching all the young 20-yr old pretty girls walking down and the street and thinking "Thank god they reduced child mortality in the '2000s..." And on a more serious note, i find very very very few things more sad than a mother seeing her child die. So i'm glad about this Mr. Burning wrote:Does it mean that the developing world and its increased standards of living will continue to see increases in population? Yep, that too. Unless some stupid law passes and we'll have to kill everyone when they reach the age of 60
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/24 18:22:46
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Bryan Ansell
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aka_tizz wrote:This gave me the image of an old man sitting on his porch with a beer in his watching all the young 20-yr old pretty girls walking down and the street and thinking "Thank god they reduced child mortality in the '2000s..."
And on a more serious note, i find very very very few things more sad than a mother seeing her child die. So i'm glad about this
Mr. Burning wrote:Does it mean that the developing world and its increased standards of living will continue to see increases in population?
Yep, that too. Unless some stupid law passes and we'll have to kill everyone when they reach the age of 60
Why wait till 60?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/25 08:59:10
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
Eeeveryvehr
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Cause if this keeps up, the female babies will grow into young fine women when i'm some 50-60...unfortunately i'll be too old to really be able to do anything to them... Unless in the meantime i decide to turn into Hugh Hefner the 2nd or something
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/25 09:21:15
Subject: Re:Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Ultramarine Scout with Sniper Rifle
NE England
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I actually consider this to be bad news. Think about it for a moment, if wild dog puppy mortality was at the level human infant mortality is, we'd be overrun with puppies in a month. Luckily, the developed world isnt too bad, save some religous families with 12 children.
However, think of the developing world, where they just dont seem to understand that if they have LESS children they will have MORE money to clothe them and feed them, not least to get some rudimentary medical care.
It is great that less babies are dying, but we need to stop many from being born. That sounds harsh I know, but I would not like to live in a large family in Somalia etc. I'm confident that despite their sentiments most of the advocates against birth control wouldnt either.
My, possibly a little too harsh and unrelated, two pence. ( UK  )
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/25 10:32:49
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
Netherlands (yes, I know)
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Yes, we need more people.
6 billion is just not enough.
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What man has build, man can destroy.
Bring alive that day of joy!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/25 13:12:34
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Wicked Warp Spider
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egor71 wrote:Yes, we need more people.
6 billion is just not enough.
Yes, but population control by infant mortality is not something that should be acceptable to the civilized world. The population situation would not be dire if people had better standards of living. The birth control argument is not one I'm getting in to, but regardless, education would help the situation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 07:00:21
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Cultist of Nurgle with Open Sores
Netherlands (yes, I know)
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More people = more problems.
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What man has build, man can destroy.
Bring alive that day of joy!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 07:03:52
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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I believe its been conclusively proven that more money equals more problems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 07:05:32
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 07:11:34
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Executing Exarch
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There is some good news for us all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 07:26:12
Subject: Re:Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Mr. Burning wrote:Has the UK reached a plateau in the medical fight against infant mortality?
I believe there are still improvements being made in the developing world, but they're minor and incremental. Whereas the developing world has a lot of catch-up opportunities.
Does it mean that the developing world and its increased standards of living will continue to see increases in population?
No. Infant death is actually tied to higher birth rates and higher population growth. If you need to have a couple of kids to look after you when you die, but there's a good chance they'll die before then, you'll have four or five kids to make sure some survive to take care of you.
The happy reaper wrote:I actually consider this to be bad news.
I'm guessing you've never had a child of yours die.
Think about it for a moment, if wild dog puppy mortality was at the level human infant mortality is, we'd be overrun with puppies in a month. Luckily, the developed world isnt too bad, save some religous families with 12 children.
They're not dogs, they're people.
And yes, population is directly impacted by increasing living standards.
However, think of the developing world, where they just dont seem to understand that if they have LESS children they will have MORE money to clothe them and feed them, not least to get some rudimentary medical care.
That's kind of racist, or kind of ignorant or something like that. They're poor, not stupid.
The issue is nothing to do with people there not understanding basic maths, the problem is that children remain a fundamental part of social welfare - it is better to have many children caring for you in old age than to have a few. As long as infant mortality is high,
Add in women being far less capable of saying no, as they have less social status and much reduced economic independance, and you have the greater birth rate all but explained. Solve those issues, something which is being done, and you dramatically reduce birth rates - something which is happening.
Oh, and religion might play a part, but it isn't anywhere near as significant as people assume. Italy, home of Catholicism, has the lowest birthrate in the world - 1.3 children per woman.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 07:27:57
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Rogue Grot Kannon Gunna
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egor71 wrote:More people = more problems.
Not necessarily. More people = more potential ways to solve problems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 08:55:40
Subject: Re:Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Ultramarine Scout with Sniper Rifle
NE England
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sebster wrote:Mr. Burning wrote:Has the UK reached a plateau in the medical fight against infant mortality?
I believe there are still improvements being made in the developing world, but they're minor and incremental. Whereas the developing world has a lot of catch-up opportunities.
Does it mean that the developing world and its increased standards of living will continue to see increases in population?
No. Infant death is actually tied to higher birth rates and higher population growth. If you need to have a couple of kids to look after you when you die, but there's a good chance they'll die before then, you'll have four or five kids to make sure some survive to take care of you.
The happy reaper wrote:I actually consider this to be bad news.
I'm guessing you've never had a child of yours die.
Think about it for a moment, if wild dog puppy mortality was at the level human infant mortality is, we'd be overrun with puppies in a month. Luckily, the developed world isnt too bad, save some religous families with 12 children.
They're not dogs, they're people.
And yes, population is directly impacted by increasing living standards.
However, think of the developing world, where they just dont seem to understand that if they have LESS children they will have MORE money to clothe them and feed them, not least to get some rudimentary medical care.
That's kind of racist, or kind of ignorant or something like that. They're poor, not stupid.
The issue is nothing to do with people there not understanding basic maths, the problem is that children remain a fundamental part of social welfare - it is better to have many children caring for you in old age than to have a few. As long as infant mortality is high,
Add in women being far less capable of saying no, as they have less social status and much reduced economic independance, and you have the greater birth rate all but explained. Solve those issues, something which is being done, and you dramatically reduce birth rates - something which is happening.
Oh, and religion might play a part, but it isn't anywhere near as significant as people assume. Italy, home of Catholicism, has the lowest birthrate in the world - 1.3 children per woman.
Trust me, I would apply the same thing in the UK, just not to the same EXTENT. Except, we give our large families truckloads of benefits to encourage them to get larger, not smaller.
It is a vicious circle.
Want lots of kids (B/C of mortality)
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Living standards poorer (Less money to go around despite kids working)
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Child mortality high
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Kids want large families B/C of mortality
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Living standards even worse due to rising pop.
You need to break the cycle. That is what MOST people have done in the developed world, wasnt so long ago we in the UK had 5 or 6 kids to a family...
If youd read the whole thing I said it was GOOD that less kids were dying, but it was BAD because BIRTH rates are going up.
Also, I thought Catholics couldnt use birth control? 1.3 kids??? how in the world do they manage that? I feel sorry for Italian men.
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When in deadly danger
When beset by doubt
Run in little circles
Wave your arms and shout!
- Excerpt from Commisariat document.
- THE MENTORS - ~ 500 pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 09:11:20
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Living standards are not coupled to population. They are far more influenced by technology and wealth distribution.
Most of the western world has had a growing population for the past 100 years and also massive increase in living standards.
Japan is now facing falling living standards with a falling population.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 09:11:49
Subject: Re:Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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The happy reaper wrote:Trust me, I would apply the same thing in the UK, just not to the same EXTENT. Except, we give our large families truckloads of benefits to encourage them to get larger, not smaller.
There have been no studies completed linking the number of kids to welfare payments. It is almost certainly a false relationship.
On the other hand, family poverty, poor economic opportunities and knowledge of contraception have been shown countless times to positively correlate to teen pregnancy and single parent welfare.
If youd read the whole thing I said it was GOOD that less kids were dying, but it was BAD because BIRTH rates are going up.
I read what you said. You said it was bad, spoke for a while about why it was bad, then said it was it great babies weren't dying as part of a point on stopping children being born.
And birth rates, whether capitalised or not, are not going up. They are dropping, across the globe, as we get wealthier and as the status of women improves. The population is still rising, but if we can maintain economic progress in the developed world it should peak some where around 2050 before beginning to decrease from there.
Also, I thought Catholics couldnt use birth control? 1.3 kids??? how in the world do they manage that? I feel sorry for Italian men.
The point is that religion likely has less of an impact on birth rates than people assume. Certainly the effect in the developed world is pretty small.
Oh, and as Kilkrazy points out your proposed relationship between more people and poorer people is false. While competition for resources are a limiting factor, there are huge benefits from economies of scale in a larger population. Either way it makes no sense when looked at the personal level, an individual can elect to have just two children, suffer the negative consequences of having just two kids to look after them, while the supposed benefit to society of less children is divided equally amongst all of society. It's tragedy of the commons.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 13:21:07
Subject: Re:Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Wicked Warp Spider
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I have to say there is a double standard in modern western culture. Nowadays we decry racism to the point that someone who happens to be a racist is metaphorically burnt at the stake instead of being viewed as someone with a chip on their shoulder who is crotchety, but we'll criticize how uneducated and superstitious those silly sub Saharan Africans are. You know, beating drums, dancing, and running around half naked in the jungle. ( Probably not in those words )
The reasoning seems to me to be " If they'd just adopt a western style democracy, western concepts of morality, secularism, birth control, and all that creates progress in Europe and North America ( in other words, superior), they'd all be right as rain."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/05/26 13:27:20
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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WARBOSS TZOO wrote:egor71 wrote:More people = more problems.
Not necessarily. More people = more potential ways to solve problems.
Infant mortality is not necessarily the big deal for population growth. In more developed areas (EUROPE, North America, Japan) couples decide to have less children to begin with. So its a net positive. They have less children, but don't go through the heartbreak of losing a child.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0002/07/11 03:28:52
Subject: Good News: Less Child Deaths Globally
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think over population is due to the ageing population of most countries not so much birth rate, though I would like to see some control/planning done on the matter
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