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Sry for this rookie question but I can't find anything on this.

Infantry is in squads. How many and how few can there be in one squad? And which units can be in the squad? I dont think you can mix up vehicles with infantry in one squad but what is the exact rules?

Lets say you have a big ork boys army consisting of 20 orks. Is it allowed to have all of them in one squad? And if so, you could add a more vulnerable soldier and then allocate all wounds to the ork boys and the vulnerable soldier would go unharmed ..

Overall I just wanna know the more complex rules for squads. If anyone could provide a link or write it down it would be really appreciated!

Thx!

Your allowed the number it says you can have in a squad and you can have the units it says in a squad.

For a page reference, try the back of a codex.

Not a proposed rule... moving to YMDC.

Infantry is in squads. How many and how few can there be in one squad?

Each unit's entry in the army list will tell you what you can take. It will either have a fixed number, or a lower and upper limit.

I understand Rookie questions - really, I do. But these aren't "You Make the Call" questions. These are YRTR or "You Read the Rulebook" questions. Do you have a rulebook? Have you read it back to front? Do you have the Ork Codex? Have you read it back to front?

All of these things are outlined in the rules. I don't mean to be insensitive to new players - I love seeing new faces at my FLGS and on Dakka, but this information is not only out there, but it is not difficult to find.

Thx for the replies, I'll check the ork codex online for my friend since its his army. And buy the tyranid codex for myself.

@Puma713 I've read the rulebook back to front, and there is no information on this what so ever. But no, I havnt read the ork codex, since I'm not playing orks. It was just an example. And I'm buyin tyranids codex next week. I'm so sorry for being curious.

Im going to go ahead and guess that this is someone VERY new to the game. You probably don’t have anyone showing you how to play either. Which raises the question, who are you going to play against? Let me point you in the right direction.

If you haven’t bought anything yet, DON’T! You don’t know what youre buying and if it will work with anything else you might get. Take a trip down to your local game store and just ask around. Trust me, guys are (usually) more than willing to help out a newbie

Get the Rulebook and the CODEX. If you don’t know what these things are, ask around. This is the part that gets a little rough. Read the whole darn thing. Im serious. Even if you don’t remember it all (you wont) you will at least have an idea of whats going on.

Sorry if this suddenly became a big task for you, but that’s kind of how it all works. Tabletop games might look easy (some of them even are) but Warhammer isn’t. Let us know if there is anything else we can help with after you get going. We actually do like new people most of the time, but you have to get on the same sheet of music with us first

Actually I've played rather much table top games. But not 40k. And I have a friend(s) who also play. I'm ordering the codex as soon as I have money.

I just wanned to know about the squad rules since i couldnt find anything on it in the rulebook. The first 2 answers where exactly what i wanned to know. So why make such a big deal of it. But thx either way.

Because this is a forum. Thats what we do. Make a big deal out of nothing.

puma713 wrote:I love seeing new faces at my FLGS and on Dakka, but this information is not only out there, but it is not difficult to find.

It certainly is. And one easy way to find this information is to find a community that is devoted to the game you're looking to start, and ask them about it.

While we're not allowed to give out rules wholesale, explaining the basic principles of how the game works is certainly within the bounds of what this forum is for. While putting off newcomers by suggesting that they go read the book because you don't feel like answering their questions... not really the stuff that communities are built from.

If you're completely new to GW games, I can understand the confusion.

The main issue is that GW split the rules for the game into manageable chunks. If they put all the rules for warhammer 40k, the armies and the expansions together, it would weigh and cost a ton.

The basic rulebook tells you the game mechanics. The codices tell you how each army works, any special rules for that army, and how to construct your army list. It tells you what weapons each unit can take and what can go in a squad.

WRT your question about taking wounds on expendable models, that's fine. You must, however,work out how many wounds the unit is taking from that round of shooting/attacks, and allocate them evenly.

aye you need the codex mate. It says how many you can take under each unit. For example tac marines are between 5 and 10 an you pay for each individual model after. Regards orks, i dunno cos i dont play them, but i play against some big ass squads, so id guess between 20-40 or something?

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:I love seeing new faces at my FLGS and on Dakka, but this information is not only out there, but it is not difficult to find.

It certainly is. And one easy way to find this information is to find a community that is devoted to the game you're looking to start, and ask them about it.

While we're not allowed to give out rules wholesale, explaining the basic principles of how the game works is certainly within the bounds of what this forum is for. While putting off newcomers by suggesting that they go read the book because you don't feel like answering their questions... not really the stuff that communities are built from.

True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

My point was that many of the questions can be resolved before you ask anyone by simply reading the rulebook that the gaming company happily provides you, at a cost. This forum is about how rules are interpreted - usually sticky situations and rules that are not clearly defined. This is neither of those. Perhaps more appropriate for 40K discussion. It's not that I don't "have the time" or "don't feel like it". If he was at my FLGS, I would line up my army and we could have a practice game, no problem. But I guess I was taught to learn what I could about a subject first before going in asking random questions about it.

Orks come in different sized squads depending on the unit type, but none of the squads are small. Normal "boyz" can be fielded in squads of 10-30.

Speaking a bit more generally, the guys in the GW shop will help you pick an army. It's probably worth playing a few games before you pick one, though, or the codex won't make much sense. The shop staff will usually set you up a quick game, and your mate with the orks might let you play a few. If you find that it's guns and tanks you like, you'll regret picking the 'nids...

puma713 wrote:

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:I love seeing new faces at my FLGS and on Dakka, but this information is not only out there, but it is not difficult to find.

It certainly is. And one easy way to find this information is to find a community that is devoted to the game you're looking to start, and ask them about it.

While we're not allowed to give out rules wholesale, explaining the basic principles of how the game works is certainly within the bounds of what this forum is for. While putting off newcomers by suggesting that they go read the book because you don't feel like answering their questions... not really the stuff that communities are built from.

True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

My point was that many of the questions can be resolved before you ask anyone by simply reading the rulebook that the gaming company happily provides you, at a cost. This forum is about how rules are interpreted - usually sticky situations and rules that are not clearly defined. This is neither of those. Perhaps more appropriate for 40K discussion. It's not that I don't "have the time" or "don't feel like it". If he was at my FLGS, I would line up my army and we could have a practice game, no problem. But I guess I was taught to learn what I could about a subject first before going in asking random questions about it.

Haha, it's funny readin some of your answers.
I appreciate you who actually answered my simple question.

And to clear things up, since some people (puma713) is so frustrated over my question I wanna say some words.
First of all, I've played quite alot table top games, and collected them for some years. Tho, I've only played Lord of the rings. If you (puma713) didnt know, Lord of the rings and Warhammer 40k have quite distinct rules. Me and a friend of mine was bored of the simpleness of the game rules/mechanics of the game so we ordered Assault on black reach together. Since my friend have played 40k before he already had rule book and such. So I got the one from the box set. I've read the book several times. And played some small games. Im ordering my tyranid army and codex this week. I was curious about the squad rules and where to find them. Therefore I asked here.

And no puma, I wont ask about how to shoot or assault. I was just wondering about the more complex rules of squads.

Happy puma? Or do you have more to complain about?


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doctorludo wrote:If you're completely new to GW games, I can understand the confusion.

The main issue is that GW split the rules for the game into manageable chunks. If they put all the rules for warhammer 40k, the armies and the expansions together, it would weigh and cost a ton.

The basic rulebook tells you the game mechanics. The codices tell you how each army works, any special rules for that army, and how to construct your army list. It tells you what weapons each unit can take and what can go in a squad.

WRT your question about taking wounds on expendable models, that's fine. You must, however,work out how many wounds the unit is taking from that round of shooting/attacks, and allocate them evenly.

Quick question, I'm kinda unsure about this since in lord of the rings you choose which model to fire at. Lets say you have a squad of 10 space marines, and one Veteran Sergeant. If the squad would suffer 10 wounds, its obvious you put one wound on each of the models. But if they take 9 wounds. Can he choose to put the wounds on his space marines and let his Sergeant go unharmed? Or does he have to 'allocate them evenly' so that he's Sergeant is also wounded? (letting one space marine go unharmed)

puma713 wrote: True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

Next thing you know, there is a whole forum full of people asking these sorts of questions!

Since I am relatively new and asking a lot of dumb questions, I really see his point. I own the rulebook, and the codexes for my army, and I still frequently find myself asking questions that are answered therein.

You say you don't mean to be insensitive to new players, but the way I see it, there are 4 options here:

1.) Answer his question in great detail,
2.) Answer his question in less detail and maybe pointing to a page number
3.) Deciding it's a dumb question and moving on, adding nothing
4.) Deciding it's a dumb question, pointing out such, and moving on, adding nothing.

You chose 4. My suggestion is any of the other 3 are better choices, if you truly don't wish to seem insensitive.

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Nowish wrote:
Quick question, I'm kinda unsure about this since in lord of the rings you choose which model to fire at. Lets say you have a squad of 10 space marines, and one Veteran Sergeant. If the squad would suffer 10 wounds, its obvious you put one wound on each of the models. But if they take 9 wounds. Can he choose to put the wounds on his space marines and let his Sergeant go unharmed? Or does he have to 'allocate them evenly' so that he's Sergeant is also wounded? (letting one space marine go unharmed)

In 40k, you fire at units, not models (generally). It's the latter - yes, you can decide to allocate wounds however you want to, to whatever advantage you may glean. See the chart on the bottom of page 25.

Ouze wrote:

puma713 wrote: True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

Next thing you know, there is a whole forum full of people asking these sorts of questions!

Since I am relatively new and asking a lot of dumb questions, I really see his point. I own the rulebook, and the codexes for my army, and I still frequently find myself asking questions that are answered therein.

You say you don't mean to be insensitive to new players, but the way I see it, there are 4 options here:

1.) Answer his question in great detail,
2.) Answer his question in less detail and maybe pointing to a page number
3.) Deciding it's a dumb question and moving on, adding nothing
4.) Deciding it's a dumb question, pointing out such, and moving on, adding nothing.

You chose 4. My suggestion is any of the other 3 are better choices, if you truly don't wish to seem insensitive.

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Nowish wrote:
Quick question, I'm kinda unsure about this since in lord of the rings you choose which model to fire at. Lets say you have a squad of 10 space marines, and one Veteran Sergeant. If the squad would suffer 10 wounds, its obvious you put one wound on each of the models. But if they take 9 wounds. Can he choose to put the wounds on his space marines and let his Sergeant go unharmed? Or does he have to 'allocate them evenly' so that he's Sergeant is also wounded? (letting one space marine go unharmed)

In 40k, you fire at units, not models (generally). It's the latter - yes, you can decide to allocate wounds however you want to, to whatever advantage you may glean. See the chart on the bottom of page 25.

Thank you! I've read the allocating wounds on complex units several times and thought it was like that. But I wasnt sure. Always good to hear from others so you know you got it right
thx again

Asking questions should never be frowned upon. I STILL find things out I had completely overlooked. And I've been playing since before alot of you were born.

My advice. Read the rulebook alot. Not cover-to-cover, but sections at a time. As you move onto another section, it will probably bring up a new way of seeing something you read earlier.

Nowish wrote:

puma713 wrote:

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:I love seeing new faces at my FLGS and on Dakka, but this information is not only out there, but it is not difficult to find.

It certainly is. And one easy way to find this information is to find a community that is devoted to the game you're looking to start, and ask them about it.

While we're not allowed to give out rules wholesale, explaining the basic principles of how the game works is certainly within the bounds of what this forum is for. While putting off newcomers by suggesting that they go read the book because you don't feel like answering their questions... not really the stuff that communities are built from.

True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

My point was that many of the questions can be resolved before you ask anyone by simply reading the rulebook that the gaming company happily provides you, at a cost. This forum is about how rules are interpreted - usually sticky situations and rules that are not clearly defined. This is neither of those. Perhaps more appropriate for 40K discussion. It's not that I don't "have the time" or "don't feel like it". If he was at my FLGS, I would line up my army and we could have a practice game, no problem. But I guess I was taught to learn what I could about a subject first before going in asking random questions about it.

Haha, it's funny readin some of your answers.
I appreciate you who actually answered my simple question.

And to clear things up, since some people (puma713) is so frustrated over my question I wanna say some words.

I'm not at all frustrated. I was making a simple observation. This is a forum called "You Make the Call". There's no "call" to make about squad size. It's laid out in relevant codices.

Nowish wrote:First of all, I've played quite alot table top games, and collected them for some years. Tho, I've only played Lord of the rings. If you (puma713) didnt know, Lord of the rings and Warhammer 40k have quite distinct rules. Me and a friend of mine was bored of the simpleness of the game rules/mechanics of the game so we ordered Assault on black reach together. Since my friend have played 40k before he already had rule book and such. So I got the one from the box set. I've read the book several times. And played some small games. Im ordering my tyranid army and codex this week. I was curious about the squad rules and where to find them. Therefore I asked here.

Okay, I made no reference whether or not you played any other games. That would have lead me to believe that you would have thought, "Well, maybe these rules *gasp* are somewhere in the rulebook. Nah, squad size for a game that uses squads in every aspect of it probably has nothing written about squad size anywhere. Better ask." How did you learn to play LotR?

Nowish wrote:

Happy puma? Or do you have more to complain about?

Sorry, stopped following the thread. No, nothing else really.

Ouze wrote:

puma713 wrote: True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

Next thing you know, there is a whole forum full of people asking these sorts of questions!

Since I am relatively new and asking a lot of dumb questions, I really see his point. I own the rulebook, and the codexes for my army, and I still frequently find myself asking questions that are answered therein.

You say you don't mean to be insensitive to new players, but the way I see it, there are 4 options here:

1.) Answer his question in great detail,
2.) Answer his question in less detail and maybe pointing to a page number
3.) Deciding it's a dumb question and moving on, adding nothing
4.) Deciding it's a dumb question, pointing out such, and moving on, adding nothing.

You chose 4. My suggestion is any of the other 3 are better choices, if you truly don't wish to seem insensitive.

I said his question was dumb? Huh. I don't remember saying that. Could you quote that for me?

I didn't do 1. because I didn't feel like it needed to be answered in great detail.

I didn't do 2. because he doesn't have the page number to go by. If he did, he wouldn't have asked the question. Remember, you have to buy the rules before you can read them (aka Codices).

I basically did 3. adding the fact that a little deduction + buying the rules will get you pretty far without asking basic quesitons in a non-very-basic-question-forum. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime?

I didn't do 4. because I didn't think it was a dumb question and didn't point out that it was. I had questions when I first started 40K years ago. You know what I did? I read the rules.

puma713 wrote:

Nowish wrote:

puma713 wrote:

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:I love seeing new faces at my FLGS and on Dakka, but this information is not only out there, but it is not difficult to find.

It certainly is. And one easy way to find this information is to find a community that is devoted to the game you're looking to start, and ask them about it.

While we're not allowed to give out rules wholesale, explaining the basic principles of how the game works is certainly within the bounds of what this forum is for. While putting off newcomers by suggesting that they go read the book because you don't feel like answering their questions... not really the stuff that communities are built from.

True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

My point was that many of the questions can be resolved before you ask anyone by simply reading the rulebook that the gaming company happily provides you, at a cost. This forum is about how rules are interpreted - usually sticky situations and rules that are not clearly defined. This is neither of those. Perhaps more appropriate for 40K discussion. It's not that I don't "have the time" or "don't feel like it". If he was at my FLGS, I would line up my army and we could have a practice game, no problem. But I guess I was taught to learn what I could about a subject first before going in asking random questions about it.

Haha, it's funny readin some of your answers.
I appreciate you who actually answered my simple question.

And to clear things up, since some people (puma713) is so frustrated over my question I wanna say some words.

I'm not at all frustrated. I was making a simple observation. This is a forum called "You Make the Call". There's no "call" to make about squad size. It's laid out in relevant codices.

Nowish wrote:First of all, I've played quite alot table top games, and collected them for some years. Tho, I've only played Lord of the rings. If you (puma713) didnt know, Lord of the rings and Warhammer 40k have quite distinct rules. Me and a friend of mine was bored of the simpleness of the game rules/mechanics of the game so we ordered Assault on black reach together. Since my friend have played 40k before he already had rule book and such. So I got the one from the box set. I've read the book several times. And played some small games. Im ordering my tyranid army and codex this week. I was curious about the squad rules and where to find them. Therefore I asked here.

Okay, I made no reference whether or not you played any other games. That would have lead me to believe that you would have thought, "Well, maybe these rules *gasp* are somewhere in the rulebook. Nah, squad size for a game that uses squads in every aspect of it probably has nothing written about squad size anywhere. Better ask." How did you learn to play LotR?

Nowish wrote:

Happy puma? Or do you have more to complain about?

Sorry, stopped following the thread. No, nothing else really.

Ouze wrote:

puma713 wrote: True. But I don't think it is too much to ask to have any sort of basic knowledge of the rules systems before coming in and starting to ask questions. I mean, next he might come in and ask, "Okay, well how does shooting work then? Are there different weapons? What do the weapons do?"

And then, "And how does assault work? How far can you move? What do you use to hit people?"

And then, "And then what do you do with leadership?"

Next thing you know, there is a whole forum full of people asking these sorts of questions!

Since I am relatively new and asking a lot of dumb questions, I really see his point. I own the rulebook, and the codexes for my army, and I still frequently find myself asking questions that are answered therein.

You say you don't mean to be insensitive to new players, but the way I see it, there are 4 options here:

1.) Answer his question in great detail,
2.) Answer his question in less detail and maybe pointing to a page number
3.) Deciding it's a dumb question and moving on, adding nothing
4.) Deciding it's a dumb question, pointing out such, and moving on, adding nothing.

You chose 4. My suggestion is any of the other 3 are better choices, if you truly don't wish to seem insensitive.

I said his question was dumb? Huh. I don't remember saying that. Could you quote that for me?

I didn't do 1. because I didn't feel like it needed to be answered in great detail.

I didn't do 2. because he doesn't have the page number to go by. If he did, he wouldn't have asked the question. Remember, you have to buy the rules before you can read them (aka Codices).

I basically did 3. adding the fact that a little deduction + buying the rules will get you pretty far without asking basic quesitons in a non-very-basic-question-forum. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime?

I didn't do 4. because I didn't think it was a dumb question and didn't point out that it was. I had questions when I first started 40K years ago. You know what I did? I read the rules.

You sir, are stupid

Question answered. Locking thread due to flaming.