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The Ork Stompa has a powerfull ranged weapon (like a tractor beam) which is used during shooting. It projects a beam which is capable of lifting wehicles in the air and throwing them in a random direction.

Last time I played apocalypse, there was a major discussion wether a tank would get cover save against this attack. What do people of dakka mean? Could be an interesting debate. The weapon does not require roll to hit or penetrate, only line of sight and range.

What do you think? What are your experiences with this?

Lash of submission is similar, and units don't get cover save against that. However, liftadroppa can seriously damage the vehicle and any other vehicle which the thrown vehicle lands on.

Imagine a Land Raider with a unit of 10 Vanguards and a couple of special characters all destroyed because liftadroppa threw it off the table.

For those who have no idea what a stompa or liftadroppa is, here is an example:

I would say no, as no rolls to-hit or to penetrate are made. IIRC, it simply tells you to nominate a vehicle, which is then lifted by the tractor beam. Cover saves are only made at least after the penetration roll, which the Lifta-Droppa dosen't cause.

Valk

Cover saves for vehicles are taken one you have determined if the shot is penetrating or glancing. AS you determing the shots are glancing, you can take a cover save against these, assuming you are Obscured somehow.

You play that the droppa can shift a landraider 4" off the table edge and auto-destroy it, including the contents? Bleurgh.

Baxx - Lash is NOT similar, as it does not damage the unit, and it doesnt work on vehicles.

You dont get a cover save from Lash as it causes no wounds, so you would get a save against the Hits from a lifta dropper, but could still be moved by it.

Soup and a roll wrote:You play that the droppa can shift a landraider 4" off the table edge and auto-destroy it, including the contents? Bleurgh.

We play that it can throw it way more than 4 inches. If the vehicle is off the table, it's autodestroyed. That's how it works, have you made your own rules for the weapon?

I may have chosen my words poorly as I don't have the latest imperial armour. I'd imagined it would be horribly broken for the weapon to work like this, but I suppose it is apocalypse. Does it state that you can move the vehicle off the table and that it is automatically destroyed? Seems silly not to let it trundle back on if it isn't damaged by the fall.

Soup and a roll wrote:I may have chosen my words poorly as I don't have the latest imperial armour.

The Lifta-Droppa rules are in the Apocalypse book. It allows you to (potentially) drop the vehicle up to 24" away. It doesn't specifically mention the table edge, so I personally wouldn't go with allowing it to shove vehicles off the table, since moving off the table isn't something that you can normally choose to do.

I'd have to agree with insaniak's position. I'd say if it comes in contact with impassable/board edge that it stops right before going off the edge/entering impassable.

And even if the tank did land off the table edge, it wouldn't be destroyed, and could just drive back on, or idle outside charge range forever.

Thanks Insaniac. That was my first reaction too but didn't want to nail my colours to the post without seeing the rules. Having to keep any vehicle with anything of value in more than 24" from a board edge is crazy so +1 to the three of you. I guess not everyone agrees but that's what happens when you have crazy rules with big ridiculous holes.

But you can use liftadroppa to land enemy vehicles on impassible terrain, thus destroying it?

Baxx wrote:But you can use liftadroppa to land enemy vehicles on impassible terrain, thus destroying it?

No, the options for moving it out are either severely limited/impossible.

Baxx wrote:But you can use liftadroppa to land enemy vehicles on impassible terrain, thus destroying it?

Im pretty sure you can yes!

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