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Okay... Other than it doesn't work....

Why can't we attach a Warboss to them and DS him in using Zagstruks Swoop Attack.
A) A Warboss doesn't Have DS
B) He's not a Vulcha boy

But if he's joined to the unit to the.

ChrisCP wrote:Okay... Other than it doesn't work....

Why can't we attach a Warboss to them and DS him in using Zagstruks Swoop Attack.
A) A Warboss doesn't Have DS
B) He's not a Vulcha boy

But if he's joined to the unit to the.

What is this i don't even

I'm fluent in drunk typing.

He's asking about how he can't attach IC's to Zagstruck's boyz then goes on to answer his own question, which in that course of action mistakenly presses the submit post button in a fit of drunken stupor.

+1 for the wrong button in the middle of a post that's in the wrong froum.. but I was drunk I was talk-typing... which if using a mobile phone while driving is anythign to go by..... lol *Hides in corner*


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I guess the real question is if I attach an IC to Zags Boys at the start of the game does it blow up because ZAgs boy 'Must enter the battle through deep-strike'.

They'd walk on from the board edge - special rules that would prevent a unit from being deployed are ignored.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:They'd walk on from the board edge - special rules that would prevent a unit from being deployed are ignored.

I would personally say that anytime you have a choice of things to do and one of them will result in the rules not being followed, then you aren't allowed to choose to break a rule.

So in this case I don't think you could 'get around' Zagstruk's rule that he must deep strike by joining another IC with the unit, instead ICs are not allowed to join his unit because doing so would result in his rule being broken.

...Zagstruk can't lose 'Swoop Attack' thou... same as Snikt doesn't lose 'Ambush'... right? :(


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@Yak: Ah-hah, so just don't blow up the game right

yakface wrote:

MasterSlowPoke wrote:They'd walk on from the board edge - special rules that would prevent a unit from being deployed are ignored.

I would personally say that anytime you have a choice of things to do and one of them will result in the rules not being followed, then you aren't allowed to choose to break a rule.

So in this case I don't think you could 'get around' Zagstruk's rule that he must deep strike by joining another IC with the unit, instead ICs are not allowed to join his unit because doing so would result in his rule being broken.

In this case you're 'getting around' the only reason to take Zagstruk, so either ruling has the same effect.

Swoop Attack suffers from the same problem as Ambush - it ought to be a rule that's lost if an IC joins the squad but it's not.

That said, SA is slightly different as it does not grant the ability to deep strike but simply requires it. As such, I'd go with yakface and say that you can't attach an IC without deep strike as that would require you to break the Swoop Attack rule.

ETA - there are three ways of playing this:
a) squad with attached IC is allowed to deepstrike - the IC doesn't have DS and it isn't conferred by swoop attack so this breaks the deployment rules (allowing an IC without DS to DS)
b) squad with attached IC deploys normally - this violates the "must deepstrike" of swoop attack
c) squad cannot have an IC attached as it forces you to break the swoop attack rule as per b) - this is the only interpretation that doesn't break any rules.

If only Ambush had said "when outflanking, they may enter from any edge" and we wouldn't have had outflanking warbosses....

Well it is kind of covered.
They are jump infantry and the Warboss isn't. So they're forced to walk on. Now if he was able to make the Warboss jump infantry or join an IC who is jump infantry. Then they would deep strike propely as a unit only moves as fast as the slowest member.

Thread ended back up there when SlowPoke posted

Walking on is not an option - they have a special rule requiring them to enter by deep strike.

You can't take a voluntary action (attaching the IC) and then use that as justification to ignore something which is compulsary (the deployment restrictions of swoop attack)

You're choosing an action which forces you to break a rule - how about you make a different choice so no rules get broken (i.e. don't attach the IC)