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Okay, quick question for you YMDC junkies out there:

Let's say my opponent has a Manticore and rolls a 6 for the # of warheads the missile contains, giving him 3 blast markers. If the first blast marker from the barrage scatters off target, do the other two automatically miss, or is he allowed to roll the scatter die 2 more times to flip the template and try to hit a nearby squad (let's assume it just missed by 1.5")

I have never played against a manticore and this has never happened to me in a game, but since they are now being produced and I'm more likely to encounter them I was just curious.

thanks..

-tetris

herp de derp late night post + while since playing my ig ftw ...

Edit: It's listed in AB as "Ordnance Barrage D3"

scatter both subsequent templates.

That makes sense.


*note - 300th post! *

Manticore is barrage so all rules for multiple barrages apply, i.e. the scatter die is rolled and the template is placed touching in that direction, or touching any blast markers in any direction on a hit.

Actually Multiple Barrage requires multiple *weapons* firing barrage, not the *same* weapon firing more than one shot - so that is not strictly true Kommisar

If you assume they follow Multiple Barrage, which is an acceptable compromise, then you roll scatter and flip off the first position.

IF you dont assume they follow multiple barrage then you place the blast again and roll for normal scatter.

Whatever your interpretation of the Manticore barrage, you roll scatter and place blasts for all three of your example shots - they either end up as a multiple barrage in the middle of nowhere, or three blasts scattered wildly around the board.

Firstly, yes the manticore is a barrage weapon.

Secondly, if firing using the multiple barrage rules (or normal barrage, or blast) and the first template misses you still must place the remaining templates as well.

Thirdly, the manticore does not use the multiple barrage rules - these are used "if a unit has more than one barrage weapon". The manticore only has one barrage weapon which fires three shots, each shot is resolved independantly.

(nos, tetris, centurian, fork have it right)

Argh not this again.

The Maticore is a Barrage Weapon, it follows the Barrage Rules.

What it CANNOT do is follow the Multiple Barrage Rules, as they were not written to account for multiple shot Barrage Weapons.

As such, RaW, you scatter each individual Template and do NOT use the Multi Barrage Rules.

No, Gwar. By RAW, a single weapon firing multiple blasts is not covered, whether Barrage or Direct Fire. Both rules refer to multiple weapons firing, neither addresses a single weapon firing multiple blasts. So you can't shoot either one, whether Manticore or SM Thunderfire Cannon, as the rules don't address how they work. Any answer on our part would just be guessing and houserules.

Or.................. The only answer we've ever gotten from GW concerning a single weapon firing multiple blasts was the Eldar Reaper gun (a Barrage weapon), and they said to resolve it as firing multiple Barrage. You could take that a use it as a precedent, stating that Barrage weapons firing multiple blasts are treated as multiple Barrage and as a corallary, that direct fire weapons firing multiple blasts are resolved as multiple weapons. But that's just how I play it.

Fluff =/= Rules but I would like to point out that when i read the entry i felt it should fire like a multiple barrage. Imagine one shell shooting from the rocket launcher, then just prior to descent it splits into x number of smaller warheads, each falling on or around the original target area. If the rocket that contained the warheads was off target, then the warheads themselves should scatter around that initial impact point, as per multiple barrage rules.

The thunderfire cannon, from a fluff POV, has a rotating turret that fires off multiple separate shells, each having a chance to scatter from the intended target separately. We always play that one as multiple blasts, even though it is a single weapon, each deviating off of the target model.