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HQ
Librarian:
epistolary with null zone and the avenger 150p

TROOPS
Tactical squad(10)
sergeant: power fist
specalised weapons: lascannon and flamer 205p
Razorback:
extra armour and twin linked assault cannon 90p

Tactical squad(10)
sergeant: power fist
specalised weapons: missile launcher and melta gun 200p
Rhino:
extra armour 50p

Tactical squad(10)
sergeant: power fist
specalised weapons: missile launcher and melta gun 200p
Rhino:
extra armour 50p

ELITES
Terminator Assault Squad:
3 thunder hammers and 2 lightning claws 200p
Land Raider:
extra armour and multi melta 275p

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator:
autocannon with side sonsors of lascannons 120p

TOTAL= 1540p

what do you need advice on?? What to add upto 2k? 1.75k? What to drop to make it 1500?

personally I would drop the fists on all your tacticals, the extra armor on the rhinos and epistolary then add a second ACLC pred and combiweapons on your sergs instead.

I would also consider taking only 2 Tactical squads.

riff raff wrote:ns: lascannon and flamer 205p
Razorback:extra armour and twin linked assault cannon

The razor isn't going to move, since the squad is too big, so I'd drop the EA. Also, LasCans are largely hobbled in 5e, so I'd go with the free ML or MM.

riff raff wrote:TOTAL= 1540p

I'd say, just demote the Razorback to rhino, and the LasCan and that ought to get you to 1500.

Can you make the Land Raider an LRC or LRR? Either is infinitely better than the LR, otherwise an okay list.

with the razor back i was going to combat my tac squad down so that half could claim my objective on my side of the board(if i'm playing objecters) as well as sniping tanks with the lascannon. The other combat squasd was going to go with the librarian in the razor back. And tedurur i wanted advice on how to improve the list and if the were any flwas stuf like that. Brothererekose i have to disagree with you about the LR; IMO the LRC is pointless whilst i would consider taking a Reedemer but in my army i think the standard one would be more suited as i could do with a bit more AT.

I dont play space marines, but i do play chaos space marines, and i think a LRC would be a better chioce for your list. I think your list is similar to my chaos army and has not got enougth weopons to deal with armies such as orks, where the LRC would give you somthing to charge into the enemy lines and burn things and genarally cause chaos. I have a friend who has a LRC and it is normally my first target because when it gets close i dont like it very much. If chaos armies were able to have one it would suit my style of play alot more than the normal land raider.


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ah. i ment the reedemer not the LRC. sorry.


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been a few months since i have played 40k, got confused.

Yeah i would go with a LRR but i have already bought the standard Land Raider. I think i may have a slight with hordes any one got any sugestions on how I could improve my army so it could deal with hordes?

Any else got any more advice


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any one else got any more advice

Any else got any more advice

HQ
Librarian:
epistolary with null zone and the avenger 150p
drop epistolary... very rarely do you NEED to use both of these powers.. and 150 pts is far too many to spend on a single 2 wound HQ with a 3+ save and no invulnerable. the whole point of the librarian is to be cheap. saved 50 points

TROOPS
Tactical squad(10)
sergeant: power fist
specalised weapons: lascannon and flamer 205p
Razorback:
extra armour and twin linked assault cannon 90p
drop extra armor, its far too expensive for a razorback. switch the lascannon out of a missile launcher, drop the fist. Give the sarge a combi-flamer instead. This squad is now dedicated to killing light infantry, and you saved 40 points.

Tactical squad(10)
sergeant: power fist
specalised weapons: missile launcher and melta gun 200p
Rhino:
extra armour 50p
drop extra armor, too expensive. I'd drop the fist here as well, your going to be hunting armor with this squad, and your 2 extra fist attacks when charged won't save you... your going to want to flee combat whenever possible to shoot. saved 25 pts.

Tactical squad(10)
sergeant: power fist
specalised weapons: missile launcher and melta gun 200p
Rhino:
extra armour 50p
drop extra armor, too expensive. I'd drop the fist here as well, your going to be hunting armor with this squad, and your 2 extra fist attacks when charged won't save you... your going to want to flee combat whenever possible to shoot. saved 25 pts.

ELITES
Terminator Assault Squad:
3 thunder hammers and 2 lightning claws 200p
Land Raider:
extra armour and multi melta 275p
looks fine to me. I'm a huge fan of the regular raider over the other 2 variants, gives much more flexibility.

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator:
autocannon with side sonsors of lascannons 120p
excellent choice, i'm a big fan of this variant of tank.

TOTAL= 1540p






so, with my red advice blurbs, you've saved 140 points. Assuming normal point values, here's what i'd add to go up to different levels:

1500 pts- dakka predator (2x heavy bolter + autocannon) + power sword on a tac sergeant.
1750 pts- drop above, add in 2x heavy bolter attack bikes, and a squadron of 3x land speeder typhoons
1850 pts- drop above, drop combi-flamer from anti-infantry squad, add in 2x multimelta attack bikes, and 2 squadrons of 2 typhoons each
2000 pts- keep 1850 pts list, add in another LC+AC predator, give 2 tac sergeants power swords.

thanks for your advice if what you say is true then it will be very usefull.

i will drop epistolary on the librairan to drop the points. However in previous posts, peple have been saying that things like power fists in the sergeant are a must and that extra armour is a must. I only have one predator at the moment so next time i go to gw i will try a few gaems with your improved army list using a whirlwind as a predator.