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Conscripts and Commisars.

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ComputerGeek01 wrote:Conscripts and Commisars.
Ftw .
   
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yeah would have to agree, with some weapon teams and maybe some artillery but like standing ones that can't move for the purpose of knocking out transports in the air or drop pods, etc.

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Basically C:IG without the more expensive bits.

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Melissia wrote:Basically C:IG without the more expensive bits.
So IG with lower leadership.
   
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Seriously though, just look at the IG codex, it more or less explains what you would find. Consider that 'specialists' like Ogryns and Ratlings come from specific planets so you would exclude those. PDF won't have a Master Of The Fleet or Commisar Lord waiting around just in case they get attacked. While Commisars get special training it makes sense to see them deployed everywhere so they are ok, but guys like Storm Troopers, Psykers wouldn't be there. Some tanks are only manufactored on certain worlds so drop those from the list. PDF may contain soldiers who have seen action but would not have actual Veterans to the same degree that the IG have so they would still be normal Guardsmen. PDF are unlikley to have a Penial Legion that is more qualified then conscripts so none of those. Adaptus Mechanicus is likley to be present on any given planet but to have an Enginseer in the PDF? Maybe, maybe not. No named character's but maybe a "counts as" guy. There probably wouldn't be more then one or two variations of vehicles unless the world were heavily industrialized so maybe Lemun Russ tanks and Chimera transports but nothing else for example.

Really a PDF unit would be as basic a force as you can imagine that would still put up a fight on the battle field, but not take many of the obviously great units in the IG codex.

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xxmatt85 wrote:
Melissia wrote:Basically C:IG without the more expensive bits.
So IG with lower leadership.

No, I mean like... the only Leman Russ tanks you can take are the LRBT. You can't have plascannon sentinels, and probably not even armored sentinels for that matter. Any lascannons you have are probably gonna be man-portable ones. And you plasmaguns.

Psykers might be there, but usually not a lot of them. So MAYBE a Primaris Psyker. Psykers are rare, but it's believable to have one attached to a PDF unit-- one battle psyker on the entire world, I mean.

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you do realize many PDFs are Guard units that have rotated back into reserves or are comprized of Guard veterans.

and they are certaintly equipped to the same standards as the IG proper.


PDFs are just Guard battalions on a more or less permanant assignment

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SOME PDF are. Not all of them. Quite frequently, PDF can end up being basically the governor's own personal army.

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Both above posts are true statements.

I play my 907th Alascadian Guard as PDF forces doing a rotation in the guard.

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Also note that some planets might have various specialties, like roughriders, for example.
   
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but they may also have other forms of units such as special anti air weapons and maybe specialists in bording tactics?

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The only PDF fluff I've personally read is Nightbringer, but if that's any indication of a standard PDF force, then Leman Russes out the wazoo, but besides that just loads general infantry. No stormtroopers, no psykers, no Ogryn, no Ratlings... maybe a few Basilisks, but probably just standard Earthshakers, and a small air support force of a few Valkyries.

Sentinels, being primarily a recon force, would be nigh nonexistant.

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Tanks like the malcador or ragnarok would make an appearance.
Range Rover type vehicles and/or civilian skimmers - Low AV but with wacky weapon load outs (anyone for multi barreled stubbers? its something GW would probably do).

Veterans as elites.
Commissars
Militia units - low stats but fearless or some such rule when with a commissar.
Servitors or power lifters.
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Special bombardment options from silo based missiles, defence lasers thrown rocks etc.

   
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Mr. Burning wrote:Tanks like the malcador or ragnarok would make an appearance.
Range Rover type vehicles and/or civilian skimmers - Low AV but with wacky weapon load outs (anyone for multi barreled stubbers? its something GW would probably do).

Veterans as elites.
Commissars
Militia units - low stats but fearless or some such rule when with a commissar.
Servitors or power lifters.
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Special bombardment options from silo based missiles, defence lasers thrown rocks etc.



Not a bad idea, I like it.

And Smaller Airsupport options, Like Valks, but maybe with vehcial lifting capabilitys.

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BoLS Badab War codex has a list for the Badab PDF...

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I should think a typical PDF would be similar to an IG army but with more heavy equipment and lower quality troops.

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Kilkrazy wrote:I should think a typical PDF would be similar to an IG army but with more heavy equipment and lower quality troops.


I think we stated earlier in this thread that the troops are not necessarily lower quality, since it's not uncommon for veterans to be posted planetside.

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Veterans posted planetside are given promotions and placed in command.

The overall troop quality is absolute garbage, but the officer corps is possibly top notch.
   
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the problem is I think anything in the IG codex would be justified as a PDF force.

Conscripts would be, well, Conscripts. men of working class given a lasgun, flak armor, 1 grenade, and pointed at the enemy.

Normal IG platoons would be a sort of Standing Militia. The men whose job is to be the PDF.

Veterans would be Veterans. the old veterans who were the original founding members of the PDF.

Sentinals would be there. Light armor and a first engagement harrying force.


PDF wouldn't have Stormtroopers.

the probably wouldn't have any heavy guns besides Basilisks and LRBTs. no Manticores, Medusas, or Lemun Russ varients.

everything is basically the same, but with different names.

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SaintHazard wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:I should think a typical PDF would be similar to an IG army but with more heavy equipment and lower quality troops.


I think we stated earlier in this thread that the troops are not necessarily lower quality, since it's not uncommon for veterans to be posted planetside.


Then the PDF would be more or less identical to the IG, so what is the point in having a separate codex?

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Kanluwen wrote:Veterans posted planetside are given promotions and placed in command.

The overall troop quality is absolute garbage, but the officer corps is possibly top notch.


Fair enough. So drop Guardsman stats to be similar to Conscripts, let them keep the Guardsman aesthetic, though, and similar squad size, reduce cost of an Infantry Platoon (!) and disallow most specialists and mutants.

Officers already have similar or better stats than Veterans, so not much could be done there, maybe give them an extra special rule that acknowledges their combat experience, a fourth order or something.


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Kilkrazy wrote:
SaintHazard wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:I should think a typical PDF would be similar to an IG army but with more heavy equipment and lower quality troops.


I think we stated earlier in this thread that the troops are not necessarily lower quality, since it's not uncommon for veterans to be posted planetside.


Then the PDF would be more or less identical to the IG, so what is the point in having a separate codex?


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Cadia PDF(interior guard) shouldnt count cadian interior and the shock troops are the same equally armed...

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That's because the Cadian Interior Guard are Shock Trooper Regiments that actually never leave Cadia.

They have Armored support, Kasrkin, Inquisitorial support, everything you'd see in a Guard regiment.
   
 
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