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i was recently reading the Blessing of the Omnissiah

it says that if the Techmarine is in BtB with a vehicle in the shooting phase he can attempt to repair it.

my question is: If the tech marine is in BB with multiple vehicles that are damaged can he repair them all?


also if a marine has a servo harness and 3+ Servitors does he automatically repair?

The words "a", "vehicle" and "it" in the blessing of the omnissiah rule are all singular; so no only one vehicle can be repaired.

It does not say that a 1 autofails; so I suppose you cannot fail in this instance

I agree with Kommissar Kel, but more because of the following:

The action is performed if the tachmarine is in BtB in the shooting phase and instead of firing. Presumably (I have no precedent to back this up), this means the marine must have the option of firing to perform the repair (also meaning he could not run into BtB and then repair). Also, if he didn't need to be able to shoot he could repair as many vehicles as he wanted as it doesn't say it can only be performed once.

1. Am I in BtB? - Yes
2. Did I shoot? - No
3. Repair!!
4. Go to 1.

You can only repair one vehicle. Or maybe you can repair more, it's unclear.

As for rolling a 1, no, it's not an autofail.

i thought it was possable to have an Auto repair.



so what you are saying GWAR is that i could repair more then 1 vehicle, but i could not as well.

Gwar! wrote: it's unclear.
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What he is saying is this ^^^

so i COULD with some clever arguing?


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i have a nasty idea for 3 venerable dakka dreadnoughts in BtB with the techmarine

If the rule said you can repair 'if you did not fire' I'd say you were OK. As it is I don't think many people will be happy with your 'fun' idea.

Since you are sacrificing your Shooting phase and you can only shoot at one target, unless it specifically says otherwise, I think you'd have a hard time on that arguing.

And as stated above, all the verbage is singular. I.e., you roll "A" D6, if the result is 5 or more, than "A" weapon destroyed or immobilised will be repaired. There is no provision for rolling multiple D6s and there is no provision for multiple items being repaired. It tells you if to roll one die and repair one if you succeed. If you were in base contact with multiple damaged vehicles, the rules would still apply, because you're still in contact with "A" broken vehicle -- it just happens to be more than one. It is clear, at least from a grammatical point of view.

the Techmarine sacrifices shooting, the vehicle doesn't(except for the weapon being repaired)

the way i see it is that if there is a vehicle in BtB it can be fixed. the rules don't specifically say ONLY 1 vehicle may be repaired at once.

Gwar! wrote: As for rolling a 1, no, it's not an autofail.

Heya Gwar. Can you (or anyone for that matter) list some other 1d6 rolls where the number rolled indicates success/fail and a roll of 1 is not a failure? Just curious.

Initiative Test. A roll of 1 is always a success. Actually, all Characteristic Tests except Armour Saves (are they Char tests?) and Ld Tests (where double 1s is always pass).

Armor penetratation.

Str10 vs AV10 is an autopen

samas990 wrote:

Gwar! wrote: As for rolling a 1, no, it's not an autofail.

Heya Gwar. Can you (or anyone for that matter) list some other 1d6 rolls where the number rolled indicates success/fail and a roll of 1 is not a failure? Just curious.

Everything that doesn't say a 1 is always a fail!

But as stated, two good examples are Characteristic Tests and Armour penetration.

In RAW it is singular. As for intent it is also singular.

As for your techmarine loseing a shooting phase when he is hiding behind a tank and can't see anyone....what is he losing out on?

Grey Templar wrote:the way i see it is that if there is a vehicle in BtB it can be fixed. the rules don't specifically say ONLY 1 vehicle may be repaired at once.

1. Shooting phase- Could I fire? - Yes.
2. Instead, I attempt to fix a BtB vehicle.
3. Still shooting phase- Could I fire? - No.
4. Stop.

Is how I see it and how I would argue if you tried this against me. I also think this is obviously RAI because the guy being able to either fire one shot from his bolt pistol or fix any number of broken down tanks in the same space of time is patently ridiculous. I might concede the point to an insistent opponent but they would gain no respect in my eyes.

As an aside, I just noticed that the Tmarine's wargear gives him either a boltgun or a bolt pistol, so if he takes a special weapon he doesn't get his bolt pistol as well. Weird.

Grey Templar wrote:the way i see it is that if there is a vehicle in BtB it can be fixed. the rules don't specifically say ONLY 1 vehicle may be repaired at once.

It says it because it's singular. VehicleS means more than one. It never references that more than one is possible to exist. So you have to be adding letters for your scenario to take place. Whereas if it's just one, it stands as is.

You can get in a while lot of trouble looking for what the rules specifically DON'T say. The rules say the player may choose whether a weapon destroyed or vehicle immobilized may be fixed, but it DOESN'T say the player gets to choose which vehicle. So if there is an injured enemy vehicle next to the Techmarine and an injured player vehicle, it's "obvious" (sarcasm) that the enemy player gets to choose which vehicle gets repaired, including his. Also, it only says he can't repair if gone to ground or falling back, it DOESN'T say he can't repair if he's dead (go go machine spirit!). There are literally infinite things the rules don't say, because you can't have a forty thousand page rule book. You have to rule what the rules DO say. And they say A weapon on A vehicle, not multiple weapons on multiple vehicles.

Here is a question I have about the same subject. say you have a damaged predator that is immobilized. you have a rhino that has a techmarine embarked. Can you drive up to the predator and disembark into BTB contact with the predator and not count that as a movement phase and when the shooting phase rolls around proceed to fix the immobilized predator? Would this in theory work or am I bending the rules to much?

Garvil_Loken wrote:Here is a question I have about the same subject. say you have a damaged predator that is immobilized. you have a rhino that has a techmarine embarked. Can you drive up to the predator and disembark into BTB contact with the predator and not count that as a movement phase and when the shooting phase rolls around proceed to fix the immobilized predator? Would this in theory work or am I bending the rules to much?

Yes, he can do this.
The only condition is that he is in BtB in the shooting phase. If he moves to get there, so be it!

Grey Templar wrote:the way i see it is that if

*Sigh* I wish more people played the way I see it too.

You had better be very persuasive to pull this off. The thing that I see as the most final is that no matter how many vehicles he is attempting to repair he can repair one weapon or one immobilized result by RaW. I guess he could apply it to either vehicle.