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Can termagants claim cover save if a unit of zoanthropes are floating in front?

Rules say units can claim a cover save if paritialy covered by friendly models but it also says you cannot take cover with you and it should be ignored. The zoanthrope is mounted on that tentacle thing which a termagant is about the same height off - so do you count this tentacle as none cover because the actual zoanthrope isn't covering anything, or do the termagants get a cover save because they're just slightly covered?

mercer wrote:Can termagants claim cover save if a unit of zoanthropes are floating in front?

Rules say units can claim a cover save if paritialy covered by friendly models but it also says you cannot take cover with you and it should be ignored. The zoanthrope is mounted on that tentacle thing which a termagant is about the same height off - so do you count this tentacle as none cover because the actual zoanthrope isn't covering anything, or do the termagants get a cover save because they're just slightly covered?

If you shoot THROUGH the gaps between a unit, you grant a cover save even if they are in clear view.

Ok. Thanks. I wasn't sure if had to be half covered or something.

mercer wrote:Ok. Thanks. I wasn't sure if had to be half covered or something.

That applies to monsterous creatures and vehicles.

Doesn't it apply to half the members in a unit of infantry?

In this diagram shoot Y can physically see all of the models in unit A through unit X (The Xs and As are the models.) but since more than half the target unit are not behind unit X, they do not get a cover save.

............Y


X - - - X
--A--A--A--A--A--A--A--A--A--A-A--A--A--A


In this second diagram shoot Y can physically see all the models in unit A, but over half of them are behind unit X and gain a 4+ cover save.

............Y


X - - - X
--A--A--A

Killkrazy, that is a very good question! We have been playing it that if you shot at an enemy unit by firing between an intervening unit, you get a save. But, does is that subject to the 50% rule? If not, I think it could be abused badly by having a tiny unit screen a much bigger unit just be standing in front of one guy...

Kolath wrote:Killkrazy, that is a very good question! We have been playing it that if you shot at an enemy unit by firing between an intervening unit, you get a save. But, does is that subject to the 50% rule? If not, I think it could be abused badly by having a tiny unit screen a much bigger unit just be standing in front of one guy...

It's still subject to the 50% rule.

Let's say you have a 6 man firewarrior team shooting at at unit that is partially hidden behind another unit. You check each individual firewarrior's LoS to each model in the target unit to see if 50% or more are in cover relative to him. At the end of it, if 50% or more of your firewarriors have 50% or more of the opposing units in cover relative to them, then the target unit will be granted cover saves.

That is my understanding of it.

All Infantry models are the same size conceptually, and are all 100% concealed by another Infantry (not Swarm) unit in front of them, no matter how tall the various models actually are.

To get the save, half the target unit needs to be concealed.

It is different to MCs and vehicles, where the actual physical concealment of the model is the important thing. (But what about squadrons?)

Kilkrazy wrote:(But what about squadrons?)

Squadrons and Units of MC follow both rules.

In order to get a cover save, Half of the models in the unit must be 50% or more obscured.
If this is the case, the whole unit has a cover save.
If not, the whole unit does NOT have a cover save.

Kilkrazy wrote:All Infantry models are the same size conceptually, and are all 100% concealed by another Infantry (not Swarm) unit in front of them, no matter how tall the various models actually are.

While what you say may have been true in 4th edition 40k, it's not in the 5th edition rulebook. It happens that most infantry models are the same size, roughly, but there's requirement for it, and nothing automatic about cover because of it.

solkan wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:All Infantry models are the same size conceptually, and are all 100% concealed by another Infantry (not Swarm) unit in front of them, no matter how tall the various models actually are.

While what you say may have been true in 4th edition 40k, it's not in the 5th edition rulebook. It happens that most infantry models are the same size, roughly, but there's requirement for it, and nothing automatic about cover because of it.

True. See also this thread, as the relative position of models becomes important.

And if you're still not sure, be the better man and grant him a cover save of 5+ or 6+

Gives the air a better feeling lol

Oh and solkan you're profile pic looks like a Strogg from Quake hahaha!