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Ok these might be a little noob but I'm not sure where to find the questions in the rules and our nearest game store is 2 hours away. So...

1. If I have an armor of 10 and get hit buy a rail gun(S 10) does a 1 pen or fail? Because I thought a 1 on a roll always failed, but I've been argued that 10+1 is still greater than the armor of my truck (which is 10 all the way around).

2. Can the guys inside the rhino, or inside of any vehicle for that mater, shoot at something besides what the rhino shot at?

3. If I have a squad of Havoks in a rhino with Melta's move 12 can I not shoot out of the back with them?

4. And if I get jinked by a skimmer does my deff roller still hit or does that count as a miss?

Any help would be appreciated.

1) Nope, a roll of 1 oinly failos when explicitly told to. For example a roll of a "1" on a characteristic test is ALWAYS a pass.

2) Yes: each unit may fire at a different target. A vehicle and embarked unit are seperate units.

3) You cannot shoot with an embarked unit if the vehicle has moved 6" or more

get them out if you want them to shoot!

4) I take it the deff roller misses, as the ram never happened...

1 - A 1 is not always an auto fail for a test. There are specific cases when it is (like a To Wound roll or an Armor/Cover/Invulnerable Save) but S10 on AV 10 will always penetrate on a hit unless some other rule is in place.

2 - They can and usually should, point those Meltas at tanks!

3 - Out the back? You mean the top? Passengers can only shoot if the vehicle moves at Combat Speed or less (as defined by the Vehicle, different for fast vehicles vs. normal vehicles). They can however jump out and fire.

4 - Good question, this has been debated. Remember if you get juked you need to continue moving until you hit the max movement distance when you ram. As for the Deff Rolla hits, I would be inclined not to take them if I was playing the Rolla because it is in the spirit of the rules and plays consistently with other effects like ramming and tank shock.

Phat13uddha wrote:Ok these might be a little noob but I'm not sure where to find the questions in the rules and our nearest game store is 2 hours away. So...

1. If I have an armor of 10 and get hit buy a rail gun(S 10) does a 1 pen or fail? Because I thought a 1 on a roll always failed, but I've been argued that 10+1 is still greater than the armor of my truck (which is 10 all the way around).

2. Can the guys inside the rhino, or inside of any vehicle for that mater, shoot at something besides what the rhino shot at?

3. If I have a squad of Havoks in a rhino with Melta's move 12 can I not shoot out of the back with them?

4. And if I get jinked by a skimmer does my deff roller still hit or does that count as a miss?

Any help would be appreciated.

1) It always pens. A Roll of 1 is not a "fail" when rolling to penetrate.
2) Yes. They are a separate unit in all regards.
3) No. Models can only use a Fire Point if it moves combat speed or less.
4) Yes, No. Maybe. Perhaps. There is no clear answer and something you need to discuss pre game.

So for #3 could I move 6 and still shoot with 2 of them or only 1 havok? And would it count as the 1 shot from the rhino too?

No it doesn't count as the rhino's 1 weapon use.

The unit counts as if it moved, so you can shoot as many as you have firepoints for. This also means models with Heavy Weapons cannot fire them unless they have a special rule permitting it.

Gwar! wrote:.4) Yes, No. Maybe. Perhaps. There is no clear answer and something you need to discuss pre game.

actually I thought it's pretty clear now "Any tank shock made by the battlewagon...blah blah blah causes.. blah blah blah... 1d6 str 10 hits

FAQ says Tank Shock = ramming.

Dodging = no ram

no ram = no tank shock = no hits


least that's how we play in my neck of the woods

General_Chaos wrote:

Gwar! wrote:.4) Yes, No. Maybe. Perhaps. There is no clear answer and something you need to discuss pre game.

actually I thought it's pretty clear now "Any tank shock made by the battlewagon...blah blah blah causes.. blah blah blah... 1d6 str 10 hits

FAQ says Tank Shock = ramming.

Dodging = no ram

no ram = no tank shock = no hits


least that's how we play in my neck of the woods

The rules are ambiguous, but if you tried to do it any other way people would probably laugh at you.

As far as the rhino goes, the unit inside and the rhino itself are seperate units. Potentially, then, if you move less than 6" a number of models within equal to the number of fire points can fire, as well as whatever the vehicle itself is allowed to fire (i.e. 1 storm bolter or TL bolter =or= 2 storm bolters or havoc launcher and 1 TL bolter, since S4 means the weapons are defensive).

We've been doing if I get jinked it's miss, no deff rolla hits.

But it's always nice to see that we weren't off the mark with what we were doing.

thanks for all quick and helpful answers.