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If you were buying Elysian drop troops or just looking at them on the FW site a year ago you would have seen that they included grav-chutes with there squads.

Since FW desided to update thier site they are not selling drop troops with grav-chutes included.
This came as a shock for me and proberly some others who buy Elysian Drop troops because of how expensive they are £36.00.
but whats more annoying is that we have buy grav-chutes seperate which cost £9.00 for a back of ten gravs.

The original price of Elysian troops Squad of ten with Gravs was £40.00 and yes the price may be £45.00 but it makes all the diffrence for those who live out of the UK.

I purchased a order that was £164.00 convert that to AUD and you pay $287.00 this was when Grav-chutes included.
Now if I try to buy the same order I pay £178.00 covert to AUD $311.50 when I have to buy the grav-chutes seperate.

I wrote to FW about this and this was thier replie:

Thanks for your e-mail – the range of Elysian squads with grav-chutes are not available on the new Forge World website because we took the decision to offer them as separate kits, as the majority of orders we receive for these items purchase them seperately. The saving made by purchasing the relevant squad with grav chutes compared to the squad and grav chutes is minimal, however.

Should there be sufficient demand for these squads, they will return to the site but in the meatime we took the decision to make the Elysian range easier to navigate.


So if you are wanting to Drop troops with grav chutes included write a email to them and tell them that you are wanting grav-chutes included with Elysian drop troops.

And if you are wanting discuss about whether or not you like this idea please post a comment.

Thanks for reading my post.

Seems a bit cheap on their part. If the aim was truly to make the range easier to navigate they could have just as easily gotten rid of the chute-less sets. Those players who didnt want chutes could... I dunno... not glue them on?

I get a serious Jekyll/Hyde vibe from ForgeWorld. Their customer service is so acommodating, so generous, but some of their other practices seem so stingy. I wish I could figure it out.

lol it's like what GW have done with the Sisters. They've taken the 10 sisters for £20 box off (a box that was already expensive, but they're metal anyway, so that stomachable) and they're now only available seperately in packs of three. It costs £33 for a unit now, more if you want special weps, which you do. Still, their codex is free, so I guess that balances things out a bit.

Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:lol it's like what GW have done with the Sisters. They've taken the 10 sisters for £20 box off (a box that was already expensive, but they're metal anyway, so that stomachable) and they're now only available seperately in packs of three. It costs £33 for a unit now, more if you want special weps, which you do. Still, their codex is free, so I guess that balances things out a bit.

Wait how is it free?

Thanks for the comments .

Remember we can make FW change into having grav-chutes included by writing to them.

The PDF is (or will be) up on the website, as well as DH. there's no point them printing anymore...which gives a hint!

nosferatu1001 wrote:The PDF is (or will be) up on the website, as well as DH. there's no point them printing anymore...which gives a hint!

hint = Hopefully Plastic sisters come wave 2 of the models they produce for the codex that might become out this fall?

Commander Endova wrote:Seems a bit cheap on their part. If the aim was truly to make the range easier to navigate they could have just as easily gotten rid of the chute-less sets. Those players who didn't want chutes could... I dunno... not glue them on?

I get a serious Jekyll/Hyde vibe from Forge World. Their customer service is so accommodating, so generous, but some of their other practices seem so stingy. I wish I could figure it out.

The whole reason they changed it was simply because people were far more interested in buying the Grav-Chutes by themselves than the Elysian figures.
Far more people were buying the Elysian sets without Grav-Chutes, since the models made fantastic Light Infantry/Hardened Veteran figures.

I like the range as is. I'd rather have chuteless squads then all squads with chutes. I'd rather have the option to buy packs of just chutes if I want them.

My biggest problem was that they had both those options and that you could buy them with of without grav-chutes.But now you have to buy them seperate which bothers me for the reason above.

I mean if I am buying an Elysian squad should'nt I then get the Grav-chutes with it. It would be like FW selling Death Korps Of Krieg without gasmasks. You loose a real look for them.

Not really. Elysians ditch the grav-chutes on landing anyways, so they're really just there as rule of cool.

As I wrote Before though you loose a real look for them. I want them to look as if they are a airbourne army.
I meant that if you had to pay extra amount of money for Death Korps Of Krieg gasmask you would be annoyed because you have to pay more to make them Death corps and not just IG.

And also the grav-chutes give me the feeling that the troops just did grav-chute insertion.

The Death Korps of Krieg's gasmask is an integral part of the model.

The Grav-Chute is not.

Yes I know that the gasmask is Integral. But what if FW said that it wasnt required on the model for the Death Korps rules to applie and was sold seperate.

Would that mean you wouldn't buy them?

Your point makes no sense.

The heads on the Death Korps are integral parts of the model. You can't build the models without heads.

Its an example. I'll say in this made up world that they have heads but the gasmask have to be glued on and sold seperate

It's a terrible example all around.

You're using a specific packaged deal that they ended up, more often than not, breaking up to sell the components individually.

It would be like if Games Workshop sold the shoulderpads for Terminator models by themselves just because people were buying Chapter specific ones alongside the plastic kit.

The example was to show you if they removed a key feature of that Army.
Of course they might not ever do that but if they removed a key feature in a product like that you would be pretty annoyed would'nt you.

That is how I feel because the grav-chutes are one of the best features the Elysians have yet you have to buy them seperate now which cost more money then it use to when they were included

Get it?

It's not a key feature of the Elysians that they have Grav-Chutes though.

They're noted for their reliance on Valkyries. Grav-Chutes are just a bonus, something that can be used much like the Cadian Respirator kits or the side armor plating for the Chimeras. They make them look better, but have no real impact otherwise.

Its a feature that makes them what they are Airbourne.They use to be sold with Elysian Drop troops and wern't some bonus.

I just want to be able to buy Grav-chutes with my Elysians. The cost is becoming too much to handle.
Considering they are some of the most expensive IG troops their is.

"Airborne" does not necessarily equal "Paratrooper", first off.

Since post-WW2 and the advances in helicopter technology the military usage of "airborne" forces has gradually become "air-mobile" forces as troops mounted in helicopters(or in the case of Elysians: Valkyries) have replaced paratroopers.

Forge World has done a fantastic job in that regards with the only real grav-chute drops mentioned being the soldiers who first secure the landing zones for the Valkyries.
The background for the Elysians doesn't make me think of "Band of Brothers" or "A Bridge Too Far", it makes me think "We Were Soldiers" and "Black Hawk Down".

As for purchasing: use a currency conversion site to plan when to make your order with the best dollar->pound ratio.

Finally:
Is the piece necessary to the actual construction of the model?

If no: bonus.

I see you have been looking on wiki. Yes I know that modern Airbourne forces dont just use parachutes insertion.

That dosent mean I have to then feild my Elysian army on modern militaries Its 40K not a real life military .

And I have used currency converters numerous times when buying internationally including FW.

Although Grav-chutes are not required for assembly they are supported by a slot in the troops back making fit.

That dosen't mean its technically a bonus it was originally intended to come with the figures.

And the Cadian figures support the inclusion of backpacks due to the slot on the figures' backs.

Where are my backpacks? This is an outrage!

Check your copy of IA:8. It shows multiple times than Elysians don't use grav-chutes, as they go down on ropes. (don't know proper name sorry). If I had Elysians, I would want some squads with and some without, so I think it's a good idea. It saves clutter and speeds up orders too.

But what I have been explaining is that they were included in the Elysian sets and that they didn't cost as much as what they do now.

Call grav-chutes a bonus I don't care.

It was originally sold with the troops therefore I don't see it as a bonus such because it was orignally sold with them.

But what I have been trying to do is to help get back the grav-chutes included sets.

So people who want Grav-chutes with thier sets don't have to pay as much as they are selling for seperate.

They were included in specific combined deals.

They removed a lot of the things that didn't sell as well with the revamp.

Quite simply, because they didn't sell as well and offered no real "savings".

Hmmm I guess I've got to buy them seperate but that is quite annoying for me cost that bit extra for exspensive troops

They used to be sold both ways. They sold much better without them (and given that they cost more with them and that according to the fluff they wear them for all of two minutes I'm not suprised).


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Eldar Vampire Hunter wrote:Check your copy of IA:8. It shows multiple times than Elysians don't use grav-chutes, as they go down on ropes. (don't know proper name sorry). If I had Elysians, I would want some squads with and some without, so I think it's a good idea. It saves clutter and speeds up orders too.

The phrase you're thinking of is "fast rope". Actually, there's plenty of description of grav chutes being used in IA8, even for very low level insertion (there's one where the valk is so low the chutes barely activate)