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There has been a lot of confusion about Njal in particular the rules for lord of tempests. I looked through the FAQ and in a few threads but its hard to find clear answers.
Here are the things i'm confused about:

1. lord of tempest is used at the beginning of Njal's turn only. So this means that Driving Gale and Living Hurricane do nothing since they last to the end of your turn during which the enemy wont be shooting or moving. Seems like a waste

2. Njal can not use tempests wrath while in a vehicle regardless of weather or not it has fire points since he can not draw line of sight while inside. However what if you start him in a vehicle then disembark him. He will now have line of sight so could he use howling cyclone, vengeful tornado, chain lighting since the resolve latter on in the turn or does he need line of sight at the beginning of the turn when he roles for tempests wrath.

Any thoughts?

You roll at the beginning of Njal's turn. The effect last one "game turn" as written in the entry (both players) brb p.9.

Byte's statement is incorrect. Njal's Lord of Tempests abilities are for "that game turn", rather than lasting for one game turn. As affirmed by the FAQ, if the Space Wolf player is going second, at the end of that player turn the game turn ends, and so do the effects of Lord of Tempests.

solkan wrote:Byte's statement is incorrect. Njal's Lord of Tempests abilities are for "that game turn", rather than lasting for one game turn. As affirmed by the FAQ, if the Space Wolf player is going second, at the end of that player turn the game turn ends, and so do the effects of Lord of Tempests.

Yep I was wrong. Nerfed indeed.

Q. How do Njal Stormcaller’s Driving Gale and
Living Hurricane effects work if the Space Wolves
player is the player going second?
A. These two abilities have no real effect in games
where the Space Wolves player is going second –
the tempest is yet to rage.

Silly...

Oddly enough, that is RaW and one of the bits the nicked from my FAQ.

But yeah, going 2nd Nerfs Njal somewhat sadly.

Ok it makes sense now. Although I can hardly believe GW intended for some of the abilities to work if you go first and do nothing if you go second.

Beta_X wrote:Ok it makes sense now. Although I can hardly believe GW intended for some of the abilities to work if you go first and do nothing if you go second.

As did I. But, that's what the rule says.

Beta_X wrote:Although I can hardly believe GW intended for some of the abilities to work if you go first and do nothing if you go second.

I can believe it. I would suspect that, if this was a deliberate move, it was done with the intention of forcing players to consider their decision to go first or second a little more carefully when they are using Space Wolves, with the idea being that they should be going first wherever possible, even if the mission would otherwise be better served by going second.


Particularly with the current rules allowing you to try to 'steal' the first turn if you fail the initial roll-off.

I have the same feeling - SW should be an aggressive army, so choosing to go second doesnt seem to fit their style.

Not saying it is right, but how I read the rule...

So Tempest Wrath cannot be used while inside of a transport? Friend was asking me if this was possible earlier in the week and I thought it was cause it was an area of effect power.

Shovan wrote:So Tempest Wrath cannot be used while inside of a transport? Friend was asking me if this was possible earlier in the week and I thought it was cause it was an area of effect power.

This is where the rules curl up and die. "Only enemy models in Njal's line of sight can be affected by tempest's effects." Fire points only give line of sight to models firing out of them, although that may be related to the "LOS is only defined for shooting models" arguments. Also, there's whole "Line of sight is drawn to the model's eyes, rather than saying that infantry models have 360 degree field of view" problem.

So, Njal in a Land Raider = He can't see a thing. Njal in a rhino = Who knows? Maybe, maybe if he takes up one of the firing ports, maybe not.

Los from a firing port can only me measured for Psychic Powers or Shooting.

Lord of Tempests is neither, so he can't use a fire point.

Good thing space wolves don't have any open topped vehicles or it would be even more confusing

Okay so another question then relating to this. A normal Rune Priest inside of a transport trying to use Tempest Wrath, does it work or is it the same as Njal trying to use it?

Well al you have done is changed the model, not the power....so guess what, nothing much has changed

Shovan wrote:Okay so another question then relating to this. A normal Rune Priest inside of a transport trying to use Tempest Wrath, does it work or is it the same as Njal trying to use it?

There is a major difference. Tempests Wrath is a Psychic power. Lord of Tempests is not. Psychic Powers have an explicit permission to be used from fire Points. Lord of Tempests does not. Furthermore, Tempests Wrath doesn't require LoS. Lord of Tempests does.

Your question is like asking "Which is better for cutting salad, a Knife or a potato?"

So Tempests Wrath does work. Lord of Tempests does not. Tempests Wrath even works if the Rune Priest is in a Land Raider (and is a good way to spread it even further), as it doesn't need LoS.

@Nos: You are changing the power as well. Tempests Wrath is not the same as Lord of Tempests.

Gwar! wrote:

Shovan wrote:Okay so another question then relating to this. A normal Rune Priest inside of a transport trying to use Tempest Wrath, does it work or is it the same as Njal trying to use it?

There is a major difference. Tempests Wrath is a Psychic power. Lord of Tempests is not. Psychic Powers have an explicit permission to be used from fire Points. Lord of Tempests does not. Furthermore, Tempests Wrath doesn't require LoS. Lord of Tempests does.

Your question is like asking "Which is better for cutting salad, a Knife or a potato?"

So Tempests Wrath does work. Lord of Tempests does not. Tempests Wrath even works if the Rune Priest is in a Land Raider (and is a good way to spread it even further), as it doesn't need LoS.

@Nos: You are changing the power as well. Tempests Wrath is not the same as Lord of Tempests.

Sounds good. I know pretty much nothing about the S.Wolves as I don't play them and the whole Njal thing was just kinda confusing is all.

And who doesn't cut their salads with potatoes?

Gwar - actually ifg you look the OP was talking about Tempests Wrath in point 2 - thus Shovan may have MEANT lord of Tempests, but thats not what my sleep addled brain understood