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Reworked and refined, now with rides for everyone!
please tell me what you think.

HQ 1:
4x Plasma
1x Sergeant
+ Chimera with dozer blade (multi-laser/Heavy Flamer)
POINTS: 175

HQ 2:
4x Plasma
1x Sergeant
+ chimera with dozer blade (multi-laser/Heavy Flamer)
POINTS: 175

Troop 1:
6x Regular Vets
3x Melta
1x Sergeant
+ Vendetta
POINTS: 230

Troop 2:
6x Regular Vets
3x Melta
1x Sergeant
+ Vendetta
POINTS: 230

Troop 3:
6x Regular Vets
3x Plasma
1x Sergeant
+ Chimera with dozer blade (multi-laser/Heavy Flamer)
POINTS: 180

Troop 4:
6x Regular Vets
3x Plasma
1x Sergeant
+ Chimera with dozer blade (multi-laser/Heavy Flamer)
POINTS: 180

Troop 5:
6x Regular Vets
3x Flamers
1x Sergeant
+ Chimera with dozer blade (multi-laser/Heavy Flamer)
POINTS: 150

Fast Attack 1:
2x Scout Sentinels (multi-laser)
POINTS: 70

Heavy Support:
1x Manticore
POINTS: 160


TOTAL POINTS: 1550

Looks like a fairly solid start. I'd spend the last 20 pts on melta for the RR's...

murdog wrote:Looks like a fairly solid start. I'd spend the last 20 pts on melta for the RR's...

Seems fair, will have too play my current ones as "Counts as" then.... don't have any extras ready to go.

You don't need that much plasma, overall good.

xxmatt85 wrote:You don't need that much plasma, overall good.

It's only 4 plasma, to much?

Phoenix_Raven wrote:

xxmatt85 wrote:You don't need that much plasma, overall good.

It's only 4 plasma, to much?

Just for one squad thats all.

Think you have a good start. But I don't think your rough riders will get a lot of play time after you start to get more units

komosunder wrote:Think you have a good start. But I don't think your rough riders will get a lot of play time after you start to get more units

Are they of no use whatsover once I go over 1000 pts?

Phoenix_Raven wrote:

komosunder wrote:Think you have a good start. But I don't think your rough riders will get a lot of play time after you start to get more units

Are they of no use whatsover once I go over 1000 pts?

You'll find your fast attack slots to be taken up by plenty of other things, (separate Vendetta squadrons for moving groups around to capture objectives, Hellhounds are deadly when appropriate, etc.)

List looks good so far. I'm always for adding a medic to any Command Squad with plasma, (I have terrible luck with Gets Hot!)

List looks fine for such small games. I would upgrade all sentinel guns to autocannons (you already have multilasers), drop the dozer blades (they're only really necessary if you field so many vehicles they cause traffic jams between terrain) and finally give all the sentinels/some chimeras HK missiles - that would give you a bit more long-range, high strength weaponry, which is currently all concentrated in your vendetta.

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:List looks fine for such small games. I would upgrade all sentinel guns to autocannons (you already have multilasers), drop the dozer blades (they're only really necessary if you field so many vehicles they cause traffic jams between terrain) and finally give all the sentinels/some chimeras HK missiles - that would give you a bit more long-range, high strength weaponry, which is currently all concentrated in your vendetta.

I've been recommended to use multi-laser on the sentinels for versitility, how does autocannons play, since I lacking gaming experience can you please tell me the pros and cons with A AC

By the way, I now have another vendetta, it has taken the rough riders spot.

I also have 20 extra guard 3 heavy weapon teams to add if needed, what should I do, play them as a platoon or make 2 more sqaud of vets with chimeras?

And last but not least, can I have three heavy weapon teams in a 10 man vet squad?
the wording in the codex makes me unsure.

thanks in advance!

well first off i like the list but you seem to be a little scattered.

1st you have an empty vendetta. i'd drop one chimera and put the melta vets in there

2nd with those extra points i'd buy better weapons for the sentinels and atleast one melta for the RR

3rd i'd drop the 2 db's left and one plas and get a medic in your CCS

although i dont personaly play guard (yet ) i have played them enough and know that that tweak would help

The vets can only have one heavy weapon, but can have three specials. The platoon/vets question is somewhat a matter of style, but if you make a platoon you could field a HWS with your heavies.

murdog wrote:The vets can only have one heavy weapon, but can have three specials. The platoon/vets question is somewhat a matter of style, but if you make a platoon you could field a HWS with your heavies.

ok, thanks!

I've got a new revised list that at least I think is pretty awesomeb
I will post it soon.

btw, would any of you guys recommend taking shotgun vet?




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The new list:

HQ 1:
Command Squad - 4xPlasmagun
+ Chimera (multi-laser and Hull Flamer) + Dozer Blade
Points: 175

HQ 2:
Command Squad - 4xMeltaguns
+ Vendetta
Points: 220

Troops 1:
Veteran Squad
- 6xLasguns
- 3xFlamer
- Sergeant Harker
+ Chimera (multi-laser and Hull Flamer) + Dozer Blade
Points: 205

Troops 2:
Veteran Squad
- 6xLasgun
- 3xFlamer
- Sergeant
+ Chimera (multi-laser and Hull Flamer) + Dozer Blade
Points: 150

Troops 3:
Veteran Squad
- 6xLasgun
- 3xFlamer
- Sergeant
+ Vendetta
Points: 280

Troops 4:
Veteran squad
- 7xLasguns
- 1x HW Lascannon
- Sergeant
Points: 90

Troops 5:
Veteran squad
- 7xLasguns
- 1x HW Lascannon
- Sergeant
Points: 90

Fast Attack 1:
2x Scout Sentinels (multi-laser)
Points: 70

Fast Attack 2:
2x Scout Sentinels (missile launchers)
Points: 90

Elites 1:
3xRatlings
Points: 30

Elites 2:
Guardsman Marbo
Points: 65

Total Points: 1465

This list seems thin on firepower. For nearly 1500 points, you're only showing up with a hand full of lascannons and a squad of meltaguns. Don't get me wrong, I love all the flamers, but a commander can not win by flame throwers alone. In the very least, you should probably give your vets a full compliment of special weapons.

As well, I'm a little concerned by the half-mechanized nature of the list. It's possible to make half-mech work if the other half is really strong, but sacrificing chimeras just to piddle away a couple of missile launcher and sniper rifle shots is a dangerous game to play.

Yeah I know I should field more plasmas and meltas ...and I will do so when I get enough of them to field two more squads.

Anyone who plays shotgun vets? are they worth taking?

Thanks!


I've also reduced the list to 1250 pts - I think it's a wee bit more effective no.... The missile launcher sentinels, Marbo and the ratlings got cut.

The new list!
I got enough plasmas and meltas to field 2 more full squads of each.

HQ 1:
Command Squad - 4xPlasmagun
+ Chimera (multi-laser and Hull Flamer) + Dozer Blade
Points: 175

HQ 2:
Command Squad - 4xMeltaguns
+ Vendetta
Points: 220

Troops 1:
Veteran Squad
- 6xLasguns
- 3xPlasmagun
+ Chimera (multi-laser and Hull Flamer) + Dozer Blade
Points: 180

Troops 2:
Veteran Squad
- 6xLasgun
- 3xPlasmagun
- Sergeant
+ Chimera (multi-laser and Hull Flamer) + Dozer Blade
Points: 180

Troops 3:
Veteran Squad
- 6xLasgun
- 3xMeltagun
- Sergeant
+ Vendetta
Points: 295


Troops 4:
Veteran Squad
- 6xLasgun
- 3xMeltagun
- Sergeant
+ Chimera (multi-laser and Hull Flamer) + Dozer Blade
Points: 165

Troops 5:
Veteran squad
- 7xLasguns
- 1x HW Lascannon
- Sergeant
Points: 90

Troops 6:
Veteran squad
- 7xLasguns
- 1x HW Lascannon
- Sergeant
Points: 90

Fast Attack 1:
2x Scout Sentinels (multi-laser)
Points: 70


Elites 1:
3xRatlings
Points: 30

Total Points: 1495

Much better.

I would highly recommend dropping something that doesn't have a ride for a ride. For example, dumping one of the vet squads with a lascannon and the ratlings for another vendetta. 3 vendettas and 4 chimeras can really put some units where they need to be.

Also, if you dropped all those dozer blades, you're tantilizingly close to adding in a basilisk. Personal preference, of course, but it would add a little leafblowerey to it if you want.

Revised and current list in top messege.

175 Vets w/ Plasma x4 in a Chim w/ HF + DB
175 Vets w/ Plasma x4 in a Chim w/ HF + DB
170 Vets w/ Plasma x3 in a Chim w/ HF +DB
170 Vets w/ Plasma x3 in a Chim w/ HF + DB
155 Vets w/ Flamer x3 in a Chim w/ HF + DB
230 Vets w/ Melta x3 in a Vendetta
230 Vets w/ Melta x3 in a Vendetta
160 Manticore w/ HF
70 Scout Sentinel x2 w/ Multi-laser

Other than the fact that there's no HQ, this looks fine. Turn those sents into a lord commissar or a primaris psyker and you should be good to go.

Ailaros wrote:Other than the fact that there's no HQ, this looks fine. Turn those sents into a lord commissar or a primaris psyker and you should be good to go.

The 2 squads in the top with 4 plasmas are the HQ.
But i think i miscalculated i points a bit... will look it up.
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