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So I've recently gotten back into 40k and my army is going to be a Black Templar Crusade. The question is, which Codex?

THe original BT codex is still good but not really built to the newest editions specifications. The new space marine codex obviously lacks the BT feel and make up.

Which should I use?

I thought you HAD to use the BT codex if you wanted to play BT?

BT codex. It's got plenty of flavour, and is still a good codex.

Kevin949 wrote:I thought you HAD to use the BT codex if you wanted to play BT?

No, not at all. You can paint your models however you damn well please, and use whatever codex you want.

If I want to run my Space Wolves as Blood Angels, I can. What I can't do is use both sets of rules.

Dark Angels players are close to FORCED to do this to ever win a game.

In any case, I would actually go for the Blood Angels codex. Fits their Theme more.

Gwar! wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:I thought you HAD to use the BT codex if you wanted to play BT?

No, not at all. You can paint your models however you damn well please, and use whatever codex you want.

If I want to run my Space Wolves as Blood Angels, I can. What I can't do is use both sets of rules.

Dark Angels players are close to FORCED to do this to ever win a game.

In any case, I would actually go for the Blood Angels codex. Fits their Theme more.

No I get that, but I think he is asking if he can play black templars but use the space marine codex instead of the BT codex. I get that you can paint SM whatever you want and use whatever codex, but if he has BT painted marines and uses the SM codex, then they're not 'really' BT are they?

I like better the BT codex.

I've got both codexes and am leaning towards the BT one. The only reason I ask is because the BT codex is very dated when compared to the newer codex SM.

Generalstoner wrote:I've got both codexes and am leaning towards the BT one. The only reason I ask is because the BT codex is very dated when compared to the newer codex SM.

Your Rhinos's are more expensive for less equipment, your TH/SS works a little different, you still have to take target priority tests (IIRC), and your LR is not technically an assault vehicle. On the other hand you still have the Master of Sanctrity as a chaplain option, all your models are feerless in CC, you have the emperors champion (and all his lovely vows), you have the option of having a 20 man tactical squad made up of 10 marines and 10 "scouts", and you can take terminator command squads.

And their fluff is still the best marine fluff around.

Personally I prefer SW fluff, but essentially Zeshin's right. C:BT is not a bad codex.

Kevin949 wrote:...if he has BT painted marines and uses the SM codex, then they're not 'really' BT are they?

Repeat after me: The game rules are not the world physics. If I use BA rules for my Night Lords army, are you going to say that they're not 'really' a chaos army?

zeshin wrote:

Generalstoner wrote:I've got both codexes and am leaning towards the BT one. The only reason I ask is because the BT codex is very dated when compared to the newer codex SM.

Your Rhinos's are more expensive for less equipment, your TH/SS works a little different, you still have to take target priority tests (IIRC), and your LR is not technically an assault vehicle. On the other hand you still have the Master of Sanctrity as a chaplain option, all your models are feerless in CC, you have the emperors champion (and all his lovely vows), you have the option of having a 20 man tactical squad made up of 10 marines and 10 "scouts", and you can take terminator command squads.

And their fluff is still the best marine fluff around.

We also get the most blatantly obvious popular culture reference, the Holy Orbs of Antioch. And they're actually good!

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:...if he has BT painted marines and uses the SM codex, then they're not 'really' BT are they?

Repeat after me: The game rules are not the world physics. If I use BA rules for my Night Lords army, are you going to say that they're not 'really' a chaos army?

First off, you don't have to be a jerk about it. Secondly, if you're not using the chaos codex then no, they're not chaos. Even if they're painted like it or whatever. If you're going off of BA dex with choas models, you're playing BA. What do physics have anything to do with this?

You might be playing C:BA, but your army doesn't have to be Blood Angels.

Melissia wrote:You might be playing C:BA, but your army doesn't have to be Blood Angels.

Right, and like I said previously, I understand that. But if you're playing by different rules then what your army is originally modeled for, you're just proxying. I get that its easy to proxy with marines but come on, you can't say you're not playing BA or BT ir you're using their codex. like I said, I wouldn't care if someone brought BT painted marines and wanted to play the space wolves codex or BA codex or whatever other SM codex they wanted to play, but I wouldn't put up a batrep as me vs. BT when they used another codex.

And yet, you're not playing Blood Angels. You're playing C:BA. The difference is very important.

Can you two drop this? This is getting silly.
And I agree with most of the posters, C:BT would be best.

I would also back the Templar codex. plus in my experience the dated wargear is not an issue as the manger of my local store forces all SM players to use 5th ed rules for Thunder hammers and storm shields.

I'd go with the Blood Angels codex. Seems to fit their fluff quite well and the current BT dex is pretty dated.

Go for black templars, they may be outdated but that makes almost no difference! They are (in my opinion) MUCH MUCH better than codex marines. Vows are great and all the special rules give you a feeling that you are actually playing bt instead of sm. Sure ur rhino costs more but cheaper dreadnoughts, vindictators and extra armor more than make up!