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First we get the old Hive Tyrant back, then we get official Harlequins, and now we have the old school DA models.

This doesn't bode well for Tau and Dark Eldar. If the trend for re-hashing 2nd Edition continues, they may well be eliminated as armies.

*remembers last time Tau used FoF against my cultists*

Good ridance!

Indeed.

And for once, I'd like to see a pose that didn't involve overheating the plasma gun into the sky, nor digging a post-hole with a sword...They are not the worst static poses ever, but they're clearly trying as hard as they can.

I do like the fact that they're clearly giving us options. You like the bathrobes of 3rd ed.? The fellow on the left is your man. Do you miss the Dark Angels feathery goodness? Aisle forms to the right, young brave.

Let's hope the rank & file are better and more dynamic.

these are captain models so you cant really compare them to the Nid hunters who I personally thought were cool models, the swod brethren were rubbish.

I like them. Sure they are static pose, but they are the taciturn DA captians overseeing the battle. DA's were the first army I ever started and never finished.

What's wrong with the Sword Brethren?

Anyway, I don't feel that strongly about those models...taking a battle seriously is not the same as being bored as hell by it.
The sculpts themselves are nice, though.

Greets
Schepp himself

A few of the sword brethern are nice at first glance but suffer from bad moulding/casting at closer inspection. Also the one with the twin lightning claw is pretty nasty.

as is the bald guy without the beard... urgh

The dude with the goatee and the helmeted marine with the sword aren't bad though.

Well lets look at the brightside.......

1. The feathers are not as big as the ones on the new Empire soldiers
2. If you need to hang up your bathrobe just throw it over their shoulder (those robes are HUGE)
3. They are better than the 2nd edition ones

Hahaha

 

True!

Those empire feathers are dreadful!!!

Posted By beef on 11/19/2006 6:17 PM
they are native Injun feathers as the original deathwing story shows. for us older players (damn it feels weird saying that) who remeber 2nd edition and the deathwing story the feathers will forever reming us of injuns. Cloud runner, two heads talking, weasel feirce and lame bear/

yeah how could you forget me.. dammit.!!   the original premise of the deathwing was based off native american indian themology, the dark angels themselves were usually denoted as warrior monks and seemed to have more of a roman look with the roman crests and adopted the feathers into it..

either way, I like them. I wish they had more native american appeal, but with political correctness and all that crap. I doubt it will ever happen..

It's been awhile since I looked at my Space Hulk books, but before the Deathwing supplement came out, the Dark Angels were just Space Marines in black armor. 

The introduction of Native American elements in Deathwing didn't necessarily mean that the whole chapter wore buckskin and feathers. The Dark Angels drew their recruits from all over the place, so maybe those particular marines featured in Deathwing were drawn from a people who were culturally similar to Native Americans, while the chapter as a whole was monastic in nature. At least that's how I always reconciled the robed monk / Native American dichotomy of the Dark Angels.

The feathers could either be an honorary or aesthetic device referencing their chapter icon (just like the sword pendants they wear), or a tribute to chapter heroes like Cloud Runner and Lame Bear.

Posted By Elusive71 on 11/20/2006 9:41 AM

The Dark Angels drew their recruits from all over the place, so maybe those particular marines featured in Deathwing were drawn from a people who were culturally similar to Native Americans, while the chapter as a whole was monastic in nature.

That was one of the problems with the Deathwing story... Despite the Dark Angels drawing their recruits from numerous planets, their entire 1st Company is apparently all from the same one...



Meanwhile, just showed these pics to my partner... she said 'Cool, but it's a little sad that they can't go to war without their blankies...'

Posted By insaniak on 11/20/2006 12:15 PM
Meanwhile, just showed these pics to my partner... she said 'Cool, but it's a little sad that they can't go to war without their blankies...'

Brother Linus sounds like a Space Marine name too.

I always reconciled the entire Native American theme as being a tribute/honorifica for Cloud Runner & Lame Bear's sacrifice to cleanse their planet of genestealer infestation (rather than the ENTIRE first company/chapter being from that planet. However I never did like the arbitrary change from all black armor (RT-era) to Dark Angel's Green (2nd Ed). But whatever. At least they let Ravenwing keep it (though they did away with Iron Wing...).

As far as the figures, I think they suck like the vast majority of the 4th ed metal sculpts. It's not so much the details themselves, but that the details (and often elements of the figures themselves) are ridiculously out of proportion. In this case it's a combination of the overly huge greaves, the retardedly oversized robe, and then Brother Linus' very thick blankey and big feathers (wonder what he's hiding...)

it was not a tribute to cloud runner and co. Like insaniak said how the hell could the whole first company be native injun types? at the time that was the way GW took it, Ultraboys were roman, SW were viking werewolf types, BA were like renasonce vamps and the DA were native injuns as thats what the feathers were about. Dont try to rationalise it with other books written later on . As at the time thats how it was.

Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 11/20/2006 12:38 PM
I always reconciled the entire Native American theme as being a tribute/honorifica for Cloud Runner & Lame Bear's sacrifice to cleanse their planet of genestealer infestation (rather than the ENTIRE first company/chapter being from that planet.   

The problem with that being that it (if I remember correctly) actually mentions in the story that they have all of the Chapter's suits of Terminator Armour with them... It's one of the things they discuss when they're trying to decide whether to stay and fight.

@ nyarlathotep667 SO unless the dark angles only have a few suits of termie armour you will have to concede that DA were Injuns originally.

Posted By beef on 11/20/2006 12:52 PM
@ nyarlathotep667 SO unless the dark angles only have a few suits of termie armour you will have to concede that DA were Injuns originally.

post your proof. i want screenshots or it didn't happen.. quote your source.. otherwise we can surmise nothing from you.. nothing..

Nerd penis time!

In before lock.

I can remember painting the figure on the left in a past life.

The Dark Angels were my first real 40K army many moons ago, and probably the only chance of me starting 40K again.

I guess I'll wait to see what 5th edition has in store.

On INjuns, remind me in June when I'm reunited with my beloved stuff and I can @##$ing scan the original story and artwork.

The Deathwing story was written long before the 2nd edition codex and clearly said ALL the DA came from the Injun Planet, not some, not the first company, not most, ALL and they had been coming from there for TEN THOUSAND YEARS.

The 2nd edition codex ignored that and went ahead with dresses and midgets and what have you.

Personally I wish they'd drop the Native American theme since it just does not fit, it's like throwing Samurai into the Space Wolfs. Yay Samurai, but they would not fit.

On those 2 guys, not too impressed, like others said nice details but bad proportions and too busy. And they are very obviosuly the same basic figure with different details added, at first I thought they might be a plastic kit showing different options. For the last few years GW has not bothered sculpting more than one or two bodies for their units and just recycles them. See the IG officers and Autarchs for more examples.

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 11/20/2006 3:03 PM
For the last few years GW has not bothered sculpting more than one or two bodies for their units and just recycles them. See the IG officers and Autarchs for more examples.

Actually, they've always recycled bodies... just that they used to use a few extra varients. The original Harlequins, for example, had about 30-odd different figures... but mostly based on half a dozen different bodies.

 

I love the models but the feathers are somewhat overwhelming. I mean they just look huge. And whilst the draped cloak does look nice when painted it sort of feels like a cop out on behalf of the modeler. I am a fan of the serious static poses. As long as all the DAs don't end up with those massive space turkey feathers they other models should turn out all right.

And I love that sword. More models need massive swords. Or scythes. There are never enough scythes.

Who cares about Injun Joe anyways? Thats not dark angels, just a part of them written oh so long ago.

Perahps the dark angels manifestation of guilt, the keepers of secrets, are merely one of the dark angels guilt manifestations.

Having Injuns in the fluff is alot like having white guilt for reservations and destroying an indigenous peoples way of life, and identity.
Dark angels are sorry. They wont do it again. *throws plague blankets onto planets*

Posted By Atma01 on 11/20/2006 3:37 PM
 More models need massive swords. Or scythes. There are never enough scythes.

Quoted for truthery. Its almost sig worthy in fact.

Dark Angel's Buttz, drive me nutz....

www.laposadadelfriki.com/images/gd/06/IMGP0789.JPG

Interesting. So the DA logo is modeled on and not painted?

Yes we need more scythes. Many many more. All of histories greatest badasses had sycthes. Because one immutable law of the universe is never mess with a man with a sycthe. Point in fact, the Grim Reaper.

I am interested in seeing what the new Deathwings look like. Hopefully there won't be los and lots of those massive feathers on them. And Emperor help us all if they put a deamcatcher on the sprue. I really don't see how you can improve upon the new Termies without making them look like ass.

It makes for a nice story, but it is simply naive to think that there will still be caucusoids, negroids, mongoloids and other -oids in 38,000 years.  Odds are that we'll all be a nice even shade of medium beige, or possibly taupe.  Some of us will be Putty, but they will be laughed at.

And before you ask,  yes, I did minor in cultural anthopology.

I guess the main thing to remember is that Dark Angels have wings, and what are on those wings? Yeppers, you guessed it, feathers.

Posted By Jester on 11/20/2006 4:31 PM

It makes for a nice story, but it is simply naive to think that there will still be caucusoids, negroids, mongoloids and other -oids in 38,000 years.  Odds are that we'll all be a nice even shade of medium beige, or possibly taupe. 

and hairless





in the grim darkness of the future...
there is only Diesels

Wasn't it the Deathwing that adopted the feathers and other Native Iconagraphy because many of the members at that time came from a planet (remember, they don't have a planet) that was similiar to the NA NAtive Americans. When so many were wiped out they wore the feathers and bleached the armour bone. Something like that. It was years ago that I read it. it's not like they are waving tomahawks or wearing buck skins.