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Except Fury of the Ancients, which is very close to a Vibrocannon in terms of mechanics. GW errataed that to not require LOS, so the Vibrocannon can go either way. All the real life people I've talked to want to play the Vibro as not requiring LOS, so I look forward to both facing and using it.

 

No, it does not go either way. FoA is a psychic power, not a weapon. It has a specific ruling made in the errate. Vibrocannons as of now do not. So you can't arbitrarily change the rules of the weapon based on how a non weapon is used, albeit in a similar fashion. As of now, Vibro's don't have the G in its profile, which is indicitive of all weapons that can fire without line of sight.

Posted By Green Angel on 12/01/2006 7:08 AM

 

No, it does not go either way. FoA is a psychic power, not a weapon. It has a specific ruling made in the errate. Vibrocannons as of now do not. So you can't arbitrarily change the rules of the weapon based on how a non weapon is used, albeit in a similar fashion. As of now, Vibro's don't have the G in its profile, which is indicitive of all weapons that can fire without line of sight.

The rules of the Vibrocannon explicitly, without a doubt allow it to be fired out of LOS. It's the casualty removal rules that require "Line of Fire" that make things questionable. Even there, the whole thing hinges on the assumption that LoF really means LoS.

Edit: and the "can go either way" comment referred to the hopefully upcoming Eldar FAQ by GW.

 

Did you not read my post as to why it cannot fire without LOS? Only weapons with a G in the profile can be fired without LOS, if allowed at all.

Nowhere in the rules does it say, explicitly, that bolters need LOS. Yet you can't fire them without it. Please cite for me the page and line of the rules that says Vibrocannons do not need LOS.

I dont have my book in front of me, but its in the Eldar Codex under the support weapon section under the heading "vibrocannon" oddly enough.

The sentance you will want to read is the one that specifically states that you pick a point 36" away regardless of whether it is in line of sight or not.

(I know im beating a dead horse but here we go)

Why would a vibro cannon need LOS, you dont have to target with it. you just aim in the general direction and fire, so LOS for Firing is fine. Like it has been said many of times its the wound removal is where things get dicy

and as for FoA not being a weapon, I beg to differ, and have a gravyard of firewarriors that would argue that point by thier tombstones:

"Hear lies Shas'ui Mon'tu"
"Killed by FoA"
"For the Greater good"

To flog the horse a bit more, is there any rules bit that specifically allows barrage weapons to remove casualties out of Line of Fire/Sight?

Posted By Xerxes on 12/03/2006 5:53 PM
To flog the horse a bit more, is there any rules bit that specifically allows barrage weapons to remove casualties out of Line of Fire/Sight?

On page 56 of the rules it says all artillery needs line of sight unless it is a barrage weapon. Vibrocannons are not barrage weapons.

This query is covered in the general rules.