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If that is the case, that you must use the Imperial Fist traits in order to use the Imperial Fist Special Character of Lysander, I don't see much harm in that.

You only face a potential downside on the off chance your army goes past 6 turns.

Ok, wait a minute. Now that I think about it, there's a pretty good chance of that happening with Lysander wing since most of your stuff Deep strikes. That means a lot of your plans could get FUBARed if you roll for a seventh turn.

Oh well.

Termie armies dont do well in protracted battles. Hence why taking IF traits would be folly.

Posted By Sarigar on 01/30/2007 5:51 PM

I'm not referring to however it was painted- could care less. If an army is painted like Imperial Fists and a person says he's running them as vanilla, that seems to be what GW has declared.  I was looking at whether you can opt to run an Imperial Fist special character and still call your marines a basic list, thus not having to use the Imperial Fist traits.

Sorry about that, I misunderstood what you asked. My bad for being so defensive on the "counts as" issue.



Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Basically it says that you can take any traitless/vanilla list and use special characters from the codex at your whim. Though I would asume that you cant take, for example, lysander and shrike in the same army at the same time.

If its an "IF" army, then you us e "IF" special characters, even if traitless.

There is no contingency saying that you need to use traits in order to use a special character.

Agree with Hellfury.

Also, I believe you can interpret the line as written in the Tournament Packet to read that "You must use those traits as opposed to making up whatever traits you want and calling them (raven guard) or whatever." In that capacity, it still does not contradict the codex, as those chapters can be represented perfectly fine with no traits, as the codex declares.

For example, Imperial Fists must use the traits provided. Well, since the traits provided are either, Vanilla, or the other traits given, then there you have it.

Fair enough explanation. Sounds perfectly reasonable and I agree that I'd rather go w/o traits with the Imperial Fists.