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And once again, god forbid you have a negative opinion of something around here!

I can see Deadly's point the differance between production models and studio models is pretty big. Parts are missing (lower jaw of wrench), parts are changed (Shoulders, Jaws and Faces.)

For the price per model cost these are some very disapointing fig's. Bland and not enough going on on the model as a whole to make me want to drop any amount of money  on these things.

With them coming pre-painted, made of  rubber like material and having very little to draw apon for conversion and customization possibilities they are going to have to step it up a bit and make some better production models.  Cause these ones are poorly done.

Eh..... some people do not deem it worth to read ANY part of this thread and i have no intention of redaing for them so: RTFWT!

Sadistikk- Is Duncan Idaho writing in magical letters that I can see and you can?t, or did you miss the part where he explained all of those issues?

The parts that appear to be missing are there- just obscured by JPG compression. The head positioning is slightly different because the heads are removable, and the necks aren?t pushed all the way in on the production models.

Whitedragon, all kinds of opinions, positive and negative, get jumped on around here. 5deadly just happened to rip a new one out of a completely undeserved target. No wonder he caught it harder than most.

No i have actualy looked at the models in photoshop and tried to find the missing or changed details. Jpeg compression should not completly remove parts of a model just blur it and make it harder to spot not removed from the model.
Removable heads does not make the facial details disappear. Or shoulders to look like they have been resculpted. all of Duncans *explanations* fail just on a pure technical standpoint. The models are changed not sure if its from using a rubber product and removing it to soon so the details fade or look like they have had a blur tool rubbered over them. the porduction models are just plain differant and ill take some screens of this convo so when we can hold models in our hands we can compare the studio models to the ones you have in hand and see. I think duncan and the rest of the fanboys will be saying "damn they was right these models are diff" just probly not man(or woman enough) to say it in front of everyone.
Sorry if me or Deadly pointing out those changes and differances has wiped the fanboys into a frenzy of defence for thse models but a picture is worth a 1000 words and try as you might to defend these models the pics dont lie.

Yeah, tak that fanboi! Not man enuff! I win the internetz!!11!!1opajdioas

Seriously, Sadstick, no need to make it personal. Maybe he actually *likes* the models! *gasp*horror*

Using the nomer of fanboy is sure to inspire good will. Afterall everyone loves stereotypes. You may find it hard to get good responses to your posts if you continue to provoke. But then again, it appears you dont want mature responses, it appears you just want to argue over pedantic points.

I really dont care if the models are slightly different than the studio models. Thats why they say "Production" and "studio". Two different things. Hardly misrepresented.

If the general populace dont like them, then the game will fail. If they do like it and find it acceptable, then no one will have to worry.

I am not sure what will make everyone happy, as it is early in the games infancy to tell.

PS. Why is this thread still even open? 5deadly had to conscript help from under the bridge to make his point for him?
 Not really news or rumours that 5deadly and his buddy who eats "three billy goats gruff" dont like them.

I think Triggerbaby's idea of making a new section of the forum is needed. We can call it the "Dumpster".

You're completely nickpicking. Jaw sunken into the collar? HELLO, have you seen the marines? THats almost standard....especially with mark 8 armor....

Of course, some of those details that are "missing" could mean the difference between an amazing studio paintjob and their basic factory paintjob. A good (thus, studio) artist can pull out details that would otherwise be obscured by a basic paintjob. It's not really that hard of a concept, I've several times looked at professional paintjobs of GW/Rackham models and said "Hey, I never saw that detail before!" on those same models that I painted myself.

Ok, I give up 5 is right and I am wrong..... only problem.... I already have seen the minis in flesh.

Man people Really do take their miniatures seriously! Oh my. I complain in a very open, Negitive and hard way and you would think the way the words start flyin’ that I was talking about Race or Religion…I mean look at this
I’m stating an opinion, not once attacking any dakka members or really direct my comments toward any one, just stating how I feel about a product. Then this happens

Hellfury: “Really, IMO the rant wasnt neccesary. Most people I know cant touch how good those models are themselves.”

So you can post how you feel but when a conflicting opinion to your own is posted it’s invalid right hellfury?

“I really dont care if the models are slightly different than the studio models.”

And I expect the Highest quality of model at 6 bucks a Pop if you don’t then, Fish on Amigo.

“PS. Why is this thread still even open? 5deadly had to conscript help from under the bridge to make his point for him?
Not really news or rumours that 5deadly and his buddy who eats "three billy goats gruff" dont like them.”

Then you post about conscripts and Goats…Lame dude…




Caern: “that was a pretty needless rant. I smell hyperbole. It may have crawled into something and died there.” –

Same reply as to hellfury, and whats with the personal insult…I’m speaking on AT-43 not You.

“The wrench jaw? It's still there.”
No it’s not.


NAVARRO: “so i keep the rest of my comments about AT43 for another less smelly thread.”

Then do so… but you…
“let me guess... GW board infants starting to appear?
Sorry but cant waste my time repeating what have been said over and over again...
this thread is getting way slowed... well with a kick start like that what to espect...”

go on to Disrespect me personally Again…this is called trolling. So you like it,
I don’t. Don’t attack me man. That some real B.S.

To Duncan_Idaho
you page is super awesome man it’s had the most up to date stuff on this…I ask for model owners to reply and you did, thanks for the input. I hope to have these in my local shop soon. if I’m wrong that’s the best part…I’ve been waiting for rackhams Sci-Fi games since the first “Dust” rumors hit French pages. Really if The Overseer have a nose I’ll buy it, hands down he rocks. And I plan to keep up on future post on your page…wish you had an English version.
Once again thanks for your input.
WhiteDragon Said it best: “And once again, god forbid you have a negative opinion of something around here!”
I’m done, the trolling is too much. Trolls win, grumpy opinion looses.
I’ll have to see the models.

I like a good argument.... but I also like good informed oponents even more.

well let see the corse of events
my first post

"I can see Deadly's point the differance between production models and studio models is pretty big. Parts are missing (lower jaw of wrench), parts are changed (Shoulders, Jaws and Faces.)

For the price per model cost these are some very disapointing fig's. Bland and not enough going on on the model as a whole to make me want to drop any amount of money  on these things.

With them coming pre-painted, made of  rubber like material and having very little to draw apon for conversion and customization possibilities they are going to have to step it up a bit and make some better production models.  Cause these ones are poorly done."

notice how it state my oppion  and not one personal attack on anyone  this was followed by  Duncan  with

"Eh..... some people do not deem it worth to read ANY part of this thread and i have no intention of redaing for them so: RTFWT!"

then Mannahnin with

"Sadistikk- Is Duncan Idaho writing in magical letters that I can see and you can’t, or did you miss the part where he explained all of those issues?

The parts that appear to be missing are there- just obscured by JPG compression. The head positioning is slightly different because the heads are removable, and the necks aren’t pushed all the way in on the production models.

Whitedragon, all kinds of opinions, positive and negative, get jumped on around here. 5deadly just happened to rip a new one out of a completely undeserved target. No wonder he caught it harder than most."

wow such nice way to responsed to honest critasism of some model that left me disapointed. so i state my oppion about some models and get attacked.

Ya of coarse after getting attacked im going to come back  and defend myself and my views ....kinda the reason for a forums so some folks can get together and talk about the topic of the forums. If you dont like my view then dispute it but dont atk me on a personal lvl.  Kinda childish. Ya i came back and threw out the fanboi's tag cause its seemed like i was dealing with a couple of fanboi's.

“The wrench jaw? It's still there.”
No it’s not. 

Yeah, it is. You actually pointed it out when you drew the red rectangle around it. If you would just take two seconds to really *look* at the picture you would see it is simply a colour that blends into the coat behind, and because of the .jpg compression it is hard to see.

JPG does not make things generic 'blurry', as has been previously stated.. The JPG compression algorithm looks for areas of similar colour ranges and merges them. The higher you set the compression, the wider the threshold between colours it is going to look for when merging. That is why the wrench is hard to see and why the top of the icon just dissapears into the background.

Did anyone notice the reply where Duncan stated that he saw the models himself?

I have no reason not to trust him. Anyway, when those miniatures get released everyone will be able to judge their paint and detail quality in person. For me, they're way above what I am accustomed to encounter in local games.

Speaking of painting, TTGN has an article on repainting AT-43 minis

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/?p=5659#more-5659

I second that emotion, Drake.

Uh...can't Drake just make it stop if he wants too?

I think this thread has about covered all the bases of the topic and I'm going to lock it before it gets any more nasty than it already has.