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Hey I had to take my post SOMEWHERE, and the most recent topic on Dakka Discussions was the least intrusive place.

Mannahnin could you (or another MOD) open up a new thread please so I can get help over the issue of being unable to PM or post new threads. Or do you know what the problem is?

Posted By Orlanth on 02/03/2007 8:24 AM
Hey I had to take my post SOMEWHERE, and the most recent topic on Dakka Discussions was the least intrusive place.

Mannahnin could you (or another MOD) open up a new thread please so I can get help over the issue of being unable to PM or post new threads. Or do you know what the problem is?

Orlanth, are you using Safari on Mac OSX?

I have the same problems, using Safari. Firefox works OK.

Your computer hates you. Make love to it with a hammer.

I am using Opera.

Orlanth, I saw your post in YMTC before, and I sent it to Russ to look into it. Haven't heard back yet, but I just sent the link to this thread to him as well, and asked him to let me know when he gets a chance to look at the problem.

Do not despair.

Thankyou. I ought to look at the topic....

Psycannon vs 'dodge' based saves was one of the first problems highlighted when Codex Daemonhunter came out.

The RAW is very clear, but in friendly games I would allow the save. 40K has armour and cover saves seperate it should similarly categorise invulnerability into 'shield' saves and 'dodge' saves. Imperial Assassins and Harlies should get a save against psycannons also, it doesn't matter how holy the ammo is if the target is elsewhere. Saying that dodge saves should be limited to 5+ at best.

The rules fix I would like to see.

Take your armour save or:

1. Cover Saves. Such as from barrels, walls, etc
- Forfeit against template attacks and all close combat.

2. Shield Saves. such as Iron Halo, shield drones, rune armour etc.
- Forfeit against psychic attacks, including psycannon, force weapons, witch blades and psychic powers.

3. Dodge Saves. Such as flip belts, Assassin saves, turbo boost. (Limited to 5+ in all but a few cases).
- Forfeit against blast and template attacks that completely cover the target models base or for large models where the model or base touches the center hole. i.e. Hey Harlie! try to dodge this demolisher shell.

Note, cover saves should be recognised as a form of invulnerable save, and of the above should void any armour save the target has, though only one save should be permissable.