Can GW fix all codexii at once?

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**Frazzled**

Posted By ChaplainSeverus on 06/01/2007 5:19 PM
Dakka-ites,

After reading the new DA codex I felt a rising urge to vomit at the changes they had made. Then realizing that my beloved BA successor chapter was doomed to a similar fate of weaker IC's without choices, forced special characters, and cookie cutter tac squads I almost passed out with disbelief. Ok, maybe I didn't pass out, but I imagined the years that would pass while I was forced to use these restrictive and mindless rules while all my other marine buddies gloated with their terminator honors, lightning claws, and tac squads sizes of their choice.

I decided to ask why GW would weaken and restrict certain armies for years and, with their glacial slowness, allow other armies and chapters to remain "unnerfed". I tried to discuss this over at B&C and got a face full of . . .

"Quit your whining"

"You can win with the new list!"

"A good general can adapt to situations"

"Sell your useless models on Ebay and by the good ones!"
"The fluff states that DA are weaker in assault than other chapters" :S
"The fluff states that DA and BA don't have a lot of adamantium mantles" :|

Needless to say not much headway was made. . .

My proposal/question/rant is: Can't GW devote some of it's millions of dollars towards getting the manpower to redo all the lists (or at least large chunks of armies) at once (or over a relative period of time [1 year or less]?

Judging from their track record and statements I have heard. Codexii will be redone at the same pace (2-3 per year) leaving the ones "lucky" enough to be redone gimped for a long time against those who have not been redone. At this rate the changes suffered by DA & BA will become moot when they inevitably switch over to 40K v4.5 or whatever they call it . ..

I seem to remember when GW shifted warhammer fantasy from v4 to v5 they issued a book called ravening hordes that updated all the lists in a barebones fashion. At the very minimum couldn't GW do something along these lines? Any thoughts on this matter?

I am not looking for people to justify the awesomeness of the DA codex. I am sure people can win with it, and some might even enjoy it, but I find the rules infantile, restrictive and bland.

P.S.- -I think it's shameful they have ignored the Orks codex for so long and they continue to micromanage SM rules (and if I was a paranoid conspiracy freak I might think they were doing it to massage a few more profits out of their flagging sales)

Interrogator-Chaplain Severus

If you don't like the BA in WD I sympathize. However, you have the option of playing generic marines with Furious charge. You lose death company but don't have any substantial issues to worry about.

Ironically, after the chaos codex I imagine quite afew alpha legion guys may shift to vanilla marines with the infitlrate trait.

**fellblade**

@Pariah Press:
Thank you. I know 'codex' is Latin, therefore the plural 'codexes' (Greek) is incorrect. I completely forgot about 'codices'. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/codex

Now go to the Discussion thread on the Grate Crusade and help us poke upliftingprimer.

**Saldiven**

Whew, someone corrected that. I saw "codexii" and just about crapped my pants. What are they teaching in schools these days? Hehehe.

Sal

**blue loki**

Posted By ChaplainSeverus on 06/03/2007 4:45 PM

Posted By beefHeart on 06/03/2007 3:53 PM
It's all a question of Incremental vs. Monumental Changes. GW, at present, has no method of implementing incremental changes to their codecies. It's an all or nothing endeavor and with the lack of any real world testing we will continue to get crap like the DA's new dex. Before GW can effectively change anything they need to take a serious look at the process and framework of making change.

If it's so blatantly obvious to most gamers that they need to revamp their system of issuing codexes (how's that spelling?) why isn't it obvious to GW? Ignorance? Are they unconcerned? or is it some more dastardly reason?

Interrogator-Chaplain Severus

It's actually much simpler than any of that.

People continue to buy the product as is. Why change it if it sells?

I wonder if the new apparent trend of putting worthwhile material in White Dwarf (BA Codex) is due to a drop in sales. I know that I and many others haven't purchased a White Dwarf in quite some time.

Perhaps our ranks have swelled to a critical mass?

**Mannahnin**

It is basically a case of the sales strategy. GW lives and dies primarily by model sales. In order to sell the most models, their strategy is to release one codex at a time, and the models that go with it. They feature these new models and this new codex online, and in WD, and everywhere possible, to encourage existing players to buy the new stuff, and encourage new folks to take up the army even if they already play something else.

Releasing a codex with no models to support is seen as largely a waste of effort/sales leverage.

The BA WD codex is something of a compromise move. I believe it is a legitimate response to complaints from players about the slow release schedule, but I?m pretty sure it is a precursor to later ?real? publication with supporting models, though in the meantime even this article will drive sales of special character models and assault marines, as well as Terminators which were previously unattractive to BA fanatics.

**beef**

Posted By ChaplainSeverus on 06/03/2007 4:50 PM

Ah Beef, what's worse? voicing opinions about the mistakes GW is making in hopes of making the our ideas known to the company that relies on us to buy their merchandise. Or lurking around forums advising people to quit the hobby.

I am sure you must have a more pleasurable hobby you could attend to then feverishly typing "quit whining!" to total strangers.

Discussing these rules changes is actually enjoyable and cathartic. GW doesn't offer me any "real" stress. I can and do play other games if it gets to be more than I can take I will move on to other game systems. But I'll be back to post rants just to keep you occupied. . .

Interrogator-Chaplain Severus

I agree with what your saying, Perhaps for some this is a way to vent there anger and stress at the hobby that should in affect be relieving that anyway. However how many threads do we need complaining about the same issues. Every 4th thread has similar complaints?

Is there nothing more interesting to talk about??

**Asmodai**

Posted By beef on 06/04/2007 11:55 AM

Posted By ChaplainSeverus on 06/03/2007 4:50 PM

Ah Beef, what's worse? voicing opinions about the mistakes GW is making in hopes of making the our ideas known to the company that relies on us to buy their merchandise. Or lurking around forums advising people to quit the hobby.

I am sure you must have a more pleasurable hobby you could attend to then feverishly typing "quit whining!" to total strangers.

Discussing these rules changes is actually enjoyable and cathartic. GW doesn't offer me any "real" stress. I can and do play other games if it gets to be more than I can take I will move on to other game systems. But I'll be back to post rants just to keep you occupied. . .

Interrogator-Chaplain Severus

I agree with what your saying, Perhaps for some this is a way to vent there anger and stress at the hobby that should in affect be relieving that anyway. However how many threads do we need complaining about the same issues. Every 4th thread has similar complaints?

Is there nothing more interesting to talk about??

In the case of 40K, not really. The games themselves are pretty simple affairs, tactics tend to be pretty obvious (mostly targetting priority in shooting and model removal in close combat), the release schedule is too slow and GW's new shorter preview window means there are less rumours to talk about...

So the same old complaints are about all there are.

Same as people talk about the weather, the same things about Lost or Survivor or the NFL playoffs. None of it is terribly original, but it's what people talk about.

When people vent stress about the hobby, I doubt its mostly caused by the hobby. I'm unemployed and have $50,000 in student debt. That's more stress causing than 40K ever could be. But I can't really vent about that, so I'll vent about how stupid the tank rules are instead.

**beef**

Its oke I got student debts of about £25,000 which is about the same as yours but I will complain about it. Damn debts, all i have to show for it is a degree and a oil painting I bought on a whim. (must have been on something at the the time as I cant rememebr what possesed me to buy it.)