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Well, I am not sure why Kommandos of all people were discussing pricing of venues.. It is something they would have no info on.

I looked at tons of options when I was still with GW to have the Vegas GT, and the Cashman center was the only thing even remotely close to affordable. Having it in hotels ran into two main snags - they either didn't have the space needed to hold a show of that size, or they wanted 10s of thousands of dollars a day.

I am not even sure why this came up, as I hadn't heard a single person complain about the venue.

I just don't like it when someone I have never even heard of comes on here and starts bad mouthing me about how poorly planned this event was. Sure, I am well removed from it at this point, but I did a lot of work setting it up before I left GW. So I still take offense to offhand comments like that. God knows why I should care, but I do still love the hobby and the hobby community around it!

Jeff

Take no prisoners Jeff!

Posted By JHall on 06/06/2007 10:27 AM
 God knows why I should care, but I do still love the hobby and the hobby community around it!

Jeff

Which is the reason youre missed, Jeff.

I've never read player comments be anything but good about you, Jeff when it came to events and how they went.  Just don't be a stranger in these parts, k?

Thanks, guys. I appreciate the comments. I have been reading the board, just not posting lately. I will definitely try and change that. I have been busy preparing for my new job - I am entering a new kind of battlefield: the classroom. I have decided to become a High School English teacher. I start training in a few weeks and teaching in August. Wish me luck! I am really looking forward to it though!

I am glad that Vegas went well. I believe that it is by far one of the best places to have a GT. I am debating whether or not to play in Baltimore in November. I am definitely considering it. It's been too long since I got a chance to play that many games in one stretch!

Jeff

Posted By JHall on 06/06/2007 10:54 AM
I am debating whether or not to play in Baltimore in November. I am definitely considering it. It's been too long since I got a chance to play that many games in one stretch!

Jeff

One word.

Adepticon.

Though I must admit that the combat patrol tourney is rather tempting.

I dearly hope that adepticon has a similar combat patrol tourney next year.

Playing several 1 hour games (or less if you know what youre doing) is a nice thought I would love to persue.

Yeah, Adepticon is very tempting. Finding the time and the extra cash for the Chicago trip may not happen next year, though. But I am keeping it in mind!

Combat Patrol does sound like fun. Hmmm... maybe I will get the guys to start that up on our Tuesday night gaming.

Jeff

I had a super cool teacher in high school that would use games as a teaching tool and encourage us to imagine and do reports on what games we thought would be played in future times. A most excellent and memorable class that easily stands out in my mind from the cookie cutter stuff that was the general run during early school years.

Good luck in your efforts, Jeff.

Posted By JHall on 06/06/2007 10:54 AM
Thanks, guys. I appreciate the comments. I have been reading the board, just not posting lately. I will definitely try and change that. I have been busy preparing for my new job - I am entering a new kind of battlefield: the classroom. I have decided to become a High School English teacher. I start training in a few weeks and teaching in August. Wish me luck! I am really looking forward to it though!



Jeff

Talking about jumping from the fire pan into the fire...baja condios.

Posted By Hellfury on 06/06/2007 10:56 AM

One word.

Adepticon.

Though I must admit that the combat patrol tourney is rather tempting.

I dearly hope that adepticon has a similar combat patrol tourney next year.

Playing several 1 hour games (or less if you know what youre doing) is a nice thought I would love to persue.

Combat patrol (or some other small points tournament) is already on the ideas list for Adepticon 08.  I'm really interested to see how this event goes at Baltimore.

Posted By inquisitor_bob on 06/04/2007 12:30 PM
WHFB:

Robert Felix w/ sylvania 1st place

Matt Lewondaski w/ nurgle 2nd place

Apparently the scoring program is a little quirky when it comes to factoring in Player's Choice votes.  The word is that it did not count those points towards your actual final ranking, but it DID add them into your total points.  Another funky factor that threw some folks is that the points you could earn from Player's Choice votes was capped at 5.  Some armies got a ton of votes, which made reading the scores a little tricky if you assumed every vote was worth a point.

Matt L had the max 5 points from PC votes, and Rob Felix had only 2.  Since the PC votes weren't counted for the win, that left Rob 2 points ahead of Matt L for the Overall. 

The judges apparently did spend some time wrestling with it and deciding whether they should or shouldn't count the PC votes towards the prizes, and eventually decided to go with the way the scoring program had it.   Matt L (who is by all accounts a great player and great sport with a gorgeous Nurgle DL) has posted online since with no complaints or grief about it. 

Here's Rob's battle report:

http://www.gameempire.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=193

Posted By RanTheCid on 06/06/2007 11:49 AM

Posted By Hellfury on 06/06/2007 10:56 AM

One word.

Adepticon.

Though I must admit that the combat patrol tourney is rather tempting.

I dearly hope that adepticon has a similar combat patrol tourney next year.

Playing several 1 hour games (or less if you know what youre doing) is a nice thought I would love to persue.

Combat patrol (or some other small points tournament) is already on the ideas list for Adepticon 08.  I'm really interested to see how this event goes at Baltimore.

If it would make combat patrol show up in adepticon, I would go to baltimore to encourage its play.

Combat patrol is so drastically underrated it really isnt funny.

Its inclusion at adepticon would allow me to get some games in and be able to attend various other events I would love to participate in, such as the BFG tourney, various modelling clases, BS with people I have known for years on the net, but never met, less stuff for me to have to travel with ( I can easily carry my army with me while browsing around the convention), etc.

I cant think of any downside to combat patrol being played at adepticon. Its fast and furious. It doesnt take up alot of space.The fun factor is exceedingly high.

LunchHammer for the win.

Posted By inquisitor_bob on 06/04/2007 12:30 PM
I saw quite a few IG, Nids, Eldar, and Dark Eldar players. There were also quite a bit of Necrons and Tau. Most of the Nid players seem to be using Nidzilla lists and DE and Tau players were mostly mechanized.
I only saw two Ork players. One was a guy I knew who used to manage a GW store locally and moved recently to Baltimore to manage the GW store there. He ran a Deathskull list. The other Ork player seemed to be running a KOS list.

I only counted 5 IG other than me, there were many many more Nid and Eldar armies.  I got the impression that the number of Eldar is about the same as marines.  There were 3 ork armies that I counted, the two you mentioned and the grot army that won player's choice.

Posted By JHall on 06/06/2007 9:23 AM
Barontuman wrote:
#7  {Removed in-acurate and unkind remarks}

That is totally not true. As the person who picked the Cashman center, it was the only affordable option in Las Vegas to have the event at. It had free parking, and we always discussed having a shuttle from any hotel we made arrangements with.
So please don't speak for things you know nothing about. There was never a problem with having the GT at the hall it was held in.
Jeff

My sincere apologies.  I'm sure that I must have mis-understood what I was told.  I'm sad that this was the only affordable location, as it certainly could have been better.   The complaints were numerous about the "food" supplied by the location, however I had time both both days to catch the shuttle back to the Golden Nugget, where the food was absolutely amazing.  The shuttle personel were very friendly and accomodating too BTW. 

Regardless, with the knowledge gained from this year, I'm positive that next year will be even better, and the overall opinion that I heard was that this year went very well (except for the lack of Comp scores, there was a LOT of grumbling over that).

Again, my honest apologies for speaking out of place on that item.

Have they posted the rules for the Combat Patrol Tournament? That sounds like a lot of fun.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

I appreciate your apology. I am sorry if I came across as a jerk about it. It just caught me off guard for someone to be making those claims that wasn't directly involved with the planning.

Food is always an issue with GT venues. Since lunches are not provided, finding a good, affordable venue with nearby food and other necessary accommodations is always difficult. There are so many factors to take into account when planning an event of this size, it seems like something always doesn't work out for some group or another!

Jeff

We had a 2 hour lunch break with a free shuttle to downtown Las Vegas (a 5 minute ride)...food should not have been an issue.

Posted By JHall on 06/07/2007 10:48 AM
I appreciate your apology. I am sorry if I came across as a jerk about it. It just caught me off guard for someone to be making those claims that wasn't directly involved with the planning.

Food is always an issue with GT venues. Since lunches are not provided, finding a good, affordable venue with nearby food and other necessary accommodations is always difficult. There are so many factors to take into account when planning an event of this size, it seems like something always doesn't work out for some group or another!

Jeff

No need for an apology on your side man!  Quite the contrary you were quite polite about it.  To that end, I'll be editing the offending posts....

Tony

I'm with Blackmoor. We had ample time to catch the shuttle and grab lunch on Fremont. I really liked the schedule. We got 2.5 hour games and plenty of time between games.

Really?  I thought I saw more than 6 IG army, but that could also be some armies running IG allies.

I missed the Grot army probably since I dropped by during lunch on Sunday and many did not have their army out.

Thanks for the clarification !

So I heard someone scored 3 zeros in sportsmanship the first day of the tournament and had to have several judges sit nearby him during the 2nd day. Can anyone confirm this? If someone is going to be that big of a jerk I think there should be a BAN for the rest of the GT season. Please information would be appreciated.

I normally do not post just read but this I feel Warranted my response since I had the Displease of playing Mr. Peter Elias the player in question.

 

I can not confirm that he in fact received three Zeros in sportsmanship as I am only aware of 2 one given by myself anther given by the person who played him before me.

 

In one of Peter’s (Who shall be referred to from this point forward as Ahole) games he suggested to his opponent that the terrain be reset since it had been moved for people to display their figures for players choice. His opponent agreed and they alternated placing terrain. Peter proceeded to place the hills on the board over the Craters which were static and built into the table thus denying his opponent cover. Ahole’s opponent asked a judge to rule on this and they ruled in Aholes favor since the two players had agreed to reset the terrain. Well this prompted one of his zeros.

 

Since I played peter after a similar situation and the terrain on our table occurred with the terrain needing to be reset, I went to the judges and explained that I did not want a similar situation to occur and I asked a Judge to reset the terrain. The Judges agreed and I told Ahole that this was the only “fair” way to handle the terrain reset. After the Terrain was reset The Judge asked if it was fair and Ahole to the judge yes but I am not comfortable with it. Well he was not getting anything above a zero from me at this point. I will not discuss the game its self but needless to say I would never like to play this Ahole again.

 

Ahole played a list that looked something like this

 

3 Falcons, Star, SC & PL fully decked out

 

5 Wave Serpents, Star and SC with 5 DA each and a Yurial I think, Star and SC

 

I have no problems with the list he played since it is allowed in the codex and I would play this are the same way. My problem is with the player.

 

My list was your basic IW list (So you can see I am a min maxer also)

 

1 Deamon Price

 

9 Obits

 

2 Las Plas Squads

 

1 Basilisk

 

3 Infiltrating Havoc Squads

 

After having later discussions with his Teammates From Toledo Ohio (Someone told me 2 Oblit 2 quit or something). They admitted to myself and others at there game that they only brought him to piss people off and eliminate people from the tournament so they had a better chance of winning. This Came Directly from what I considered one of the most respected 40k GT players, you know the guy that has won more of these events than anyone.

 

Unfortunately Ahole ended up winning Best General.

 

I agree Ahole should be banned. Furthermore something should be done about this practice of just bringing someone along to be an Ahole and Eliminate other player to make it easier for you.

Placing terrain to your advantage doesn't sound like something that should zero out someone's sports score for.

I have to agree. So he placed hills over craters, so what? How did that deny cover? Offer less cover, certainly, but not deny cover.

And to agree willingly to something, then score your opponent zero Sports just because (and solely because) he does exactly what you just agreed to, seems like a bit of aholery in itself. Maybe the first player should have been the one getting the zero score for being such a whining baby.

As for the second game, his comment was a bad one but to score him zero for it. In many games where I haven't set up the table/terrain I've commented (and heard people comment) that the terrain sucks. And all he said was it was fair but he didn't like it. What's wrong with that? And you gave him a zero Sports score for saying that? Wow, that seems a little excessive. Like taking an A-bomb to a paintball game excessive.

Of course, if you gave us more details on the games and his behaviour then maybe we could judge that this was deserved. But as you said, as soon as he opened his mouth you gave him a zero. Way to be a good sport yourself there.

Posted By Unseth on 06/07/2007 11:34 PM

 

Since I played peter after a similar situation and the terrain on our table occurred with the terrain needing to be reset, I went to the judges and explained that I did not want a similar situation to occur and I asked a Judge to reset the terrain. The Judges agreed and I told Ahole that this was the only “fair” way to handle the terrain reset. After the Terrain was reset The Judge asked if it was fair and Ahole to the judge yes but I am not comfortable with it. Well he was not getting anything above a zero from me at this point. I will not discuss the game its self but needless to say I would never like to play this Ahole again.

 

 

 

Is this correct?

*You asked for a judge to place terrain.

*Judge placed terrain.

*"Ahole" was ok with the placement BY THE JUDGE but you weren't. So you give the "AHOLE" a ZERO?

Impressive. you tanked him because HE AGREED WITH THE JUDGE?  Wow sounds like you're a Captain ZERO yourself there bub.

I put a hill over a water feature on one of the tables I played on, and my opponent didn't have any problems with it. In fact they turned around and did the same, saying that was a good idea. I've seen people put forests on hills as well, it's just part of the game. So far it dosen't sound like he did anything that justified him getting zeros.

Posted By Unseth on 06/07/2007 11:34 PM

After having later discussions with his Teammates From Toledo Ohio (Someone told me 2 Oblit 2 quit or something). They admitted to myself and others at there game that they only brought him to piss people off and eliminate people from the tournament so they had a better chance of winning. This Came Directly from what I considered one of the most respected 40k GT players, you know the guy that has won more of these events than anyone.

Ok, I have to chime in and set the record straight here.  I'm part of 2 Oblit 2 Quit, so this is coming from a direct source.  So here goes.

1.  Pete, Mike, Jeff and I attended the event with the ultimate goal of giving Mike the best chance to get as many points as possible for the tournament circuit.  At no point in time for this tournament or any tournament ever has Pete ever gone into a tournament to 'Piss' people off or to cause them to have a bad time.  I personally heard this from several members of other well known gaming groups (many who have never played him) and it is a completely false and an off base statement.  None of us out of Toledo would condone going to a tournament to "Piss" people off.  Too many people get pissed off themselves when they lose, don't have a rule(s) go their way, don't like the scenario, bad dice, bad terrain, etc.  Tough - get over it.  We all have to deal with this.   

2.  Pete is brought as an "enforcer".  The term is used lightly in jest because he is an exceptional player, but does not have a great chance at winning overall due to the fact that painting in his army is of a lower quality.  Pete plays a straight up game.  Nothing more, nothing less.  He's not there to give you a free back rub and yet at the same time, he's not there to punch you in the face.  He's there to play a game.  Pete is typically amiccable towards his opponents.  Admittingly, we all have our moments though and I cannot say that we are 100% perfect.  That said though - very few people are.  

3.  What Pete did with the cover on those boards was more than acceptable.  This in no way should impact his sportsmanship score.  It is bad player ediquette on your part and is also another reason why player based comp scoring should never be brought back.  You have given a great example as to why some players cannot handle scoring people appropriately.  Again, too many people get pissed off themselves when they lose, don't have a rule go their way, don't like the scenario, bad dice, bad terrain, etc.  Tough - get over it.  We all have to deal with this.   These items have nothing to do with sportsmanship.

Overall, Pete is a solid player.  He will bring a tough list and desires to play a straight-up game with no shennanigans.  He will question rules issues, which is acceptable especially since a lot of groups play things differently.  Pete is very good at a lot of different games and is a great challenge to play against.  He is someone that I will gladly play against any time.

I want to thank jfrazzel, skyth and Stu-rat for making their points about zeroing in sportsmanship.  I also want to thank the Wrecking Crew for stating the same things on their website when another person talked about purposely tanking a score.  "Chipmunking" is bad player ediquette and is something that quite a few people need to be trained on.  See link for the wrecking crew discussion:  http://40kwreckingcrew.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1112 

 

 

This is exactly why GW cancels tournaments and events.

 

What exactly is an "enforcer" doing at a tournament?

Are you saying then that you feel that your players in your team can't win without someone else going around and knocking off other good players?

You need someone else to "sweep the leg"?

GT's are for fun. Guys like you are making these events into less entertaining and less cerebral versions of the WWE. Until we see someone take a folded chair and a cheese grater to someone's head....

Im not trying to take sides here but this is how I see it.

Greg- He Brought 3 Falcon Eldar,,,,,,

3 Falcon Eldar is going to make you 0 friends, and get you and whoever you came with known as "those guys".  I have no probs with ya or Pete cause I know y'all, however from anyone elses view, well the previous post speaks for itself.

CJ (Offically from the Wrecking Crew?) chipmunked Paul Murphy on "sports" becuase he didnt like his "comp". I personally can't stand any player who is cool to someones face then stabs them in the back over comp ESPICALLY when the score is a sportsmenship one.  CJ pretty much got reigned in on the wrekcing crew forum, I had already been checking it out.

This is also the same CJ who posted on a local store forum that he did not want to go to a touney becuase that albino Rob and his friends would be there. CJ- From henceforth I prefer to be addressed as Man-Boy-Genius, thanks.

Everyone  may also want to note the discussion in that thread on wrecking crew about "crutch" armies its pretty epic.

..and um buy more bits..yeah!

Posted By jfrazell on 06/08/2007 4:30 AM

Posted By Unseth on 06/07/2007 11:34 PM

 

Since I played peter after a similar situation and the terrain on our table occurred with the terrain needing to be reset, I went to the judges and explained that I did not want a similar situation to occur and I asked a Judge to reset the terrain. The Judges agreed and I told Ahole that this was the only “fair” way to handle the terrain reset. After the Terrain was reset The Judge asked if it was fair and Ahole to the judge yes but I am not comfortable with it. Well he was not getting anything above a zero from me at this point. I will not discuss the game its self but needless to say I would never like to play this Ahole again.

 

 

 

Is this correct?

*You asked for a judge to place terrain.

*Judge placed terrain.

*"Ahole" was ok with the placement BY THE JUDGE but you weren't. So you give the "AHOLE" a ZERO?

Impressive. you tanked him because HE AGREED WITH THE JUDGE?  Wow sounds like you're a Captain ZERO yourself there bub.

I believe you're reading it wrong, the way I read it (and the way it actually makes sense in context with zero'ing the guy) was

"Ahole told the judge that the terrain was fair but he wasn't comfortable with it".  Meaning "fine leave it as is, but i don't like it".

Regardless, zeroing his sports score just for that is about the dumbest, most assinine thing I think you could do.

I'm a big proponent of terrain being placed only by the tournament organizers in order to build a fair scenario for play without favoring any army type over the other.  Still, zeroing the guys score because he wasn't happy about not alternating terrain placement is bs.