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big mek with KFF 85 pts
5 loota's with 3 big meks with kustum mega blasta 75
29 gretchin 3 runtherd 110
29 gretchin 3 runtherd 110
29 gretchin 3 runtherd 110
29 gretchin 3 runherd 110
4 mega nobz
750
the wording in the codex for the grots is "for every ten Gretchin you must take one runtherd which i did
my plan is to just walk across the field and hope they can't possible kill 126 models and with vehicles the
loota's will probably be able to take out

and the winner is shirou because of the 3 fire prism's that and that there is no solid target to strike and anything that the army looks at dies now tell me this is a list which no one
and i mean no one would want to play

congratulations

and thats to everyone who listed in with their lists i hope you're all here next year

FearPeteySodes wrote:Anywho, Blackgaurds zilla list is dirty. Not that i wanna face off against any of these, but that one made me die a little inside.

why thank you (bows). fyi i dont even play nids

Hi All,

I know the competition is closed, but I thought the SM were a bit under represented so:

HQ:
Epistolary
Storm of the Emperors wrath
Fury of the Ancients

Troops:
Scouts x 6
Sniper rifles x 5
Missile launcher

Scouts x 6
Sniper rifles x 5
Missile launcher

Fast:
Land speeder squadon
LS Tornado x 2

Land speeder squadon
LS Tornado x 2

Land speeder squadon
LS Tornado x 1

If my maths is right that is exactly 750 points.

DP, MOS, Lash 155
DP MOS, Lash 155

Greater Demon 100

5 CSM's Plaz Gun 165
5 CSM's Plaz Gun 165

Could be fun at 740

How is he going to krak open tanks let alone stay out of los before he gets blasted back to the Eldar craft world P


Grats to the winner, NOT ... Pown that list.

i know the comp is closed, but the lack of imperial guard annoys me haha...

doctrines: grenadiers, drop troops, close order drill, and whatever else
Junior officer

x5 storm troopers

x5 storm troopers

Hell hound with extra armour

Leman Russ battle tank with hull heavy bolter sponsoon heavy bolters

Leman Russ battle tank with hull heavy bolter sponsoon heavy bolters

Leman Russ demolisher with hull heavy bolter and sponsoon plasma cannons, extra armour

750 exactly, beat that biatchez

The competition is a farce. The zilla list is easily the strongest one here.

just a quick count but you could fit about 15 lascannons in a 750 guard list. thats about a fire prism a turn...

vercingatorix wrote:they can't possible kill 126 models and with vehicles the
loota's will probably be able to take out

4 squads of fire warriors and a hammerhead definatly could

I agree that blackguard's list is the strongest of the choices.

As a mech Eldar player, I can say that simply shaking the three Prisms will screw Shirou's list. Any list heavy on the mid or high strength firepower could do so. Not that it would be anything but fun to play against, as super-mobile firepower at 750 points on a 6x4 board makes for a fun game of hide-and-go-seek.

The 'Zilla list is just a bit more broken, as it never stops firing/crunching untill the models are destroyed. The Lascannon list is a close second..

EDIT

I played in a 1000 point RTT last week and I brought the cheese to it.

Farseer on bike (guide and mindwar)
Autarch on bike (reaper launcher
3 Guardians on bike (shuricannon)
3 Guardians on bike (shuricannon)
3 Falcons with shuricannons, scatterlasers.

In the 3 games I lost a combined 0 models and made 0 friends. It was both awesome and aweful.

Darrian

Darrian, did you play against godzilla bugs? I would think you'd have a hard time dropping them and being able to stay away from the Flyrant. Plus, 1000 pts brings in super dakka fexes and more gaunts!

EDIT: Because I said "100" instead of "1000".

No, I played against IG, Chaos and Eldar.

At 1000 points the Godzilla NIdz would not be a problem. The mobility of the Eldar on a 6x4 board with only 11 models means that once the Flyrant is dead the Nidz will never catch the Eldar. 1500 points would be a different story though.

Darrian

I know I'm late, but there weren't even any Tau so I figured I'd throw in my block o' cheese.

Shas'El w/Plasma Rifle, Fusion Blaster, Targeting Array, HW Multi-tracker - 97pts

x1 Crisis w/TL Fusion Blaster, Targeting Array - 53pts

x6 Fire Warriors - 60pts

x6 Fire Warriors - 60pts

x2 Broadsides w/x2 Targeting Array - 160pts

x2 Broadsides w/x2 Targeting Array - 160pts

x2 Broadsides w/x2 Targeting Array - 160pts

750pts exactly

That adds up to 6 twin-linked BS 4 Railguns, that alone would scare even myself in a 750 point list. Add in the 2 suits and a few Fire Warriors and you've got yourself some Tau with a name for themselves.

CHAOS

HQ: Demon Prince with mark of nurgle, wings, doombolt
Demon Prince with Mark of Nurgle, wings, doombolt
320
Troops:
5 man chaos space marine squad with plasma gun
5 man chaos space marine squad with plasma gun
180 points

500 points total
pretty broken if you ask me

At 500 points, I like the Imperial Guard Tank Squadron list:

Junior Officer
Staff w/ 4 Meltaguns

5 Storm Troopers w/ 2 Plasma Guns
5 Storm Troopers w/ 1 Plasma Gun

Leman Russ w/ Hull HB
Leman Russ w/ Hull HB

That's a lot of special weapon spewage from 15 models and 2 tanks. At 750, that list would fill out to:

Junior Officer - 40
Staff w/ 4 Meltaguns - 40

SWS w/ Demo Charge, Meltagun - 65
SWS w/ Demo Charge, Meltagun - 65

5 Storm Troopers - 50
5 Storm Troopers - 50

Leman Russ w/ Hull HB - 145
Leman Russ w/ Hull HB - 145
Leman Russ w/ Hull HB - 145

That's a nasty one, IMO.

CK

It's not even a real competition without me..........

750 Imperial Guard.

Doctrines: Drop Troops, Close Order Drill, Veterans

Colonel Schaeffers Last Chancers-630
Schaeffer
Kage
8 Specialists
-Plasma Guns
7 Specialists
-Melta Guns
5 Specialists
-Demo Charges

5 Veterans-55
-Meltagun

5 Veterans-65
-2 Plasmaguns

That's 10 Plasmaguns, 8 meltaguns, and 5 Demolition charges full of deepstriking fun. Special delivery, here's your package.

10 warriors 2 darklance 100 points
10 warriors 2 darklance 100 points
10 warriors 2 darklance 100 points
10 warriors 2 darklance 100 points
10 warriors 2 darklance 100 points
10 warriors 2 darklance 100 points

tooled up lord. 150 points

750 points comes with 12 lance weapons almost a MC and 1/2 a turn plus a decent counter charge in the lord.

I like that people are still posting lists. It shows that even if a list is broken, it is still fun to think about.

On that note, blackgaurd, next time we team up, my Fire Prism will do better. Also, Autarch will not die to fluke Lemon Rust fire power.

Any list with 4 toughness and 3+ save = cheese. you only get cheesier when the falcons come out.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cheese is something like this

Dark Eldar 1999pts
HQ
-Archon
w/ Shadow Field, Punisher, Tormentor Helm, Combat Drugs, Splinter Pistol
-9 Incubi Retinue
-Raider
w/ Scaling Nets

-Dracon
w/ Agoniser, Splinter Pistol
-9 Incubi Retinue
-Raider
w/ Scaling Nets

Elites
-7 Wyches
w/ Succubus, Agoniser, Wych Weapons
-Radier

-7 Wyches
w/ Succubus, Agoniser, Wych Weapons
-Radier

Troops
-10 Dark Eldar Warriors
w/ 2 Dark Lances

-10 Dark Eldar Warriors
w/ 2 Dark Lances

-10 Dark Eldar Warriors
w/ 2 Dark Lances

-10 Dark Eldar Warriors
w/ 2 Dark Lances

-10 Dark Eldar Warriors
w/ 2 Dark Lances

-10 Dark Eldar Warriors
w/ 2 Dark Lances

Fast Attack

Heavy Support
-Ravager

-Ravager

-Ravager



that is a total of 25 dark lances, 101 models. at range you can cut through pretty much anything, and at close quarters you have two of the best anti anything units in the whole game. obviously you can tweak the list to put more or less wyches in for something else, but this is the general jist

Really dont see how taking incubi in a DE list is a good idea anyway you look at it... I mean you take the DE strength which is mobility and you flush it down the drain for selling out to become a lowly space marine? If you play a gunline and they play at the back of the board and you play at exactly 12" out throwing caution to the wind and not caring about cover you still cant reach an enemy with your incubi until turn three... You would be better of with wyches or in MHO anything but incubi.

Also not dissing the warrior squads, because god knows theyre damn near the best basic trooper in the game, but 6 of them is overkill unless somehow youy plan on running a firebase DE. Essentially you pay 600 points for 12 shots now assuming they all shoot at a tough 4 unit that comes out to:

12 shots x 2/3= 8 hits

8 x 5/6= 6.6666 wounds

Or about 100 points per wound.

Now assuming that they are shooting at a LR Battle Tank to get a destroyed.

12 shots x 2/3= 8 hits

8 x 1/6= 1.333 glances or .222 destroyed

8x 1/3= 2.66666 or 1.333 destroyed

total= 1.5 destroyed. Assuming No hull down or smoke launchers...

So congrats for 600 points you destroy 1.5 tanks a turn(145x1.5 = 217 points) or can kill 6.5 troops a turn. Now granted i'm not saying its not nasty, just saying 6 squads is excessive if you want to field an assault army, 3 squads will do fine at getting the job done.

Now if you keep your dracon and Archon rigged exactly how they are, drop the two incubi units, drop three DL squads, and get rid of the scaling nets you have 780 points to use towards what DE strength is, speed.

hhaha, damn Darrian, that list is foul! I bet everyone hated you for bringing that!

Accuracy by Volume did you read? the incubi have a raider as transport. believe me i ahve played DE for long enough t know that incubi are the nastiest assault troop against the major armies (chaos marines, marines, necrons, non aspect eldar, and orks). also the raider changes the whole slow problem. also this game is not played by strictly averages, if it were it wouldn't be no fun. and you don't have to destroy the vehicle, once you've stunned it, or destroyed a weapon you've done enough to it to leave it alone for the rest of the turn. think about it, why shoot at a vehicle that can no longer shoot back and/or move. it's a waste of time. al you have to do is keep the pressure up, and then pick the opponent apart one piece at a time

@Bastirous666

Accuracy by Volume did you read? the incubi have a raider as transport.

Yes actually I did read the "transport" annotation thus my comment on scaling nets, unless I was thinking you clad you archon craftily with nets to make it easier for your retinue to get piggy back rides. The math I did to come to a third turn assault included your raiders.

believe me i ahve played DE for long enough t know that incubi are the nastiest assault troop against the major armies (chaos marines, marines, necrons, non aspect eldar, and orks)

1.) Just because you've played an army for a while doesn't mean that you are now the authority on DE (try using facts they have more weight than your assumption based on pure opinion)

2.) Wow you mean to tell me power weapons work well on armies that rely on not getting hit with power weapons... who would have thunk?

also this game is not played by strictly averages

Your right there at the same time with that analogy im suprised you ultimate cheese list of doom wasnt an all terminator list as you feel that they can never be killed. The bottom line is yes ultimatley there is CHANCE and LUCK but all in all um sorry to tell you but it actually is a game of averages.

and you don't have to destroy the vehicle

Im quite aware of basic tactics/common sense, however with that much firepower I was assuming the overkill was their for a reason even more so driving home the point of why in gods name would six squads be better than 3 at keeping tanks at bay? Plain and simple theyre not, just waisted points unless you want a firebase DE with a small countercharge.


Back to topic you know what my problem with the incubi are? You pay 25 points for a 1 wound model with a power weapon. Yup that power weapon is freaking awesome but unfortunately almost every single unit out their has some form of a power weapon to. And those incubi do not have an invulnerable of any kind. So yes they have a big punch, but when you lose 3 of them do to a powerfist dont come crying. Ill take my 2 wyches to every 1 of your incubi every day hands down.