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Doctor Optimal wrote:Or it can be a lousy Hollywood cash-in. Since I don't think GW (especially in it's current, publicly traded and financially shaky incarnation) has the fortitude to do it right, I'd rather not seen it done at all.

It's a little embarassing to admit it, but on occasion I'll see something about the Super Mega Lotto something or other (the one where the jackpot's sometimes $250 million + ) and think "Damn, if I had that kind of scratch I'd go bankroll a badass 40K (or Battletech or something) movie and make sure they do it right for a change!"

Good sci-fi and fantasy (especially book adaptations) are so friggin' rare because noone's willing to sink funding and quality control into something they think is gonna fail anyway. Talk about your self-fulfilling prophecies!

Im up for the Gaunts Ghosts as a movie series, i love those books

I think it could be done.


Maybe a full five minute intro to the world of 40k.

"In the distant future, there is only war. The might of all humanity is gathered under the banner of the Imperium, the massive empire spanning countless worlds. Humanity exists in the service of The Emperor, the man who united mankind, who forever rules the Imperium, entombed within the Golden Throne, on the home world of Terra."

So on and so forth, say who the guard and the space marines are, mention most of the other races, but only specifically describe those who are involved in the movie.

Orks, would be a given. Make them the opening action and constant plot element, a la Dawn of War.
Chaos, too, in an intrusive role.


Only, let's not steal the plot from DoW (Although it made a good game, and a good book, and would likely make a good movie.)

Instead of the Eldar and their artifacts, let's bring in a Tyranid invasion being used to meet some end of the chaos boys.






...


Or, quoting what I once heard on the matter..
"A trenchful of guardsmen, 10,000 orks, and a Daemon Prince of Chaos. THERE'S your plot."

Never ever ever ever put the Imperial Guard against Tyranids... (starship troopers comes to mind)!
What is NC-17 and R rated by the way? (I'm british)
We use age limits in our country and it would be stupid to put a kid's based game as a 18 (aged old), imo should try and tone it down to at least 15.

As for the plot it would be really good to place either Gaunts ghost in the movie as the central characters or have Armageddon and have Commissar Yarrick against either Orks or Chaos.

NC-17 stands for no children under 17 and R is for restricted (18 and older unless supervised by and adult). And over here it's pg-13 (parental guidance for 13 and under) then it jumps pretty much right up to R (except for NC-17). So if it was made over here in the states my guess is that with all the killing and disturbing images (if they used Chaos in the movie) then my guess is that it would almost have to be an R rated movie. But I could be wrong and they could do a pg-13 version (though imo it would probably suck).

Hope that helps!
Gareth

Thanks.
Yeah if they made it PG-13 it would definately suck, come on where would the blood and carnage go then!

Only problem is that there seems to be toooo many children around the ages of 10-12 playing this game and not enough adults and young adults playing.

Not many people would go if the 40k generation (10-12 year olds) could not see it.

N.B. I like contradicting myself

It would be a better sell if it were PG-13, but only something with an R rating could really capture the essence of 40k. : P

Tenth Speed Writer wrote:It would be a better sell if it were PG-13...

I don't even know how you'd do this.

How can you have a PG-13 movie where people cut each other up with chainsaws?!

Bah, I'm actually more interested in which actors you'd think
would work for the special characters. And for the special
characters in suits or alien face, think of appropriate voices.

With "real" actors its only humans and eldar for the main plot.
Other races then got their apperance in CGI's.
The film includes (as half-cgi) everything imperial and some xeno,standard-size humans and eldar
Played by actors to screen the story.Fighting done as CGI to bring space marines,
ork,necron,Chaos and nids in(when needed).

If fulltime play with non-human-sized characters is wanted,we have to move 100% CGI or go to
japan for anime 40k production.

Is been don folks. Bunch of fans ove in Germany, I believe. I was getting regular upates on it all the time. They spent like 4 years on on the project, and GW told them to go pack sand, it would never be released in ANY format. I think Germany art laws came into the picture, something about GW never being able to get FULL control of the rights due to German copyright law. I waited years for it to come out, and then poof.

Ah google has saved my soul. I'm sure a bunch of oyu remmber this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7010484.stm

search Damnatus on the web.

grizgrin wrote:Is been don folks. Bunch of fans ove in Germany, I believe. I was getting regular upates on it all the time. They spent like 4 years on on the project, and GW told them to go pack sand, it would never be released in ANY format. I think Germany art laws came into the picture, something about GW never being able to get FULL control of the rights due to German copyright law. I waited years for it to come out, and then poof.

Not sure if this is specific german Copyright law.
I've seen GW license entry at gw-homepage and
its really restrictive,so i don't mind a fault of the fanbase.


Design failure,corrected

Of course, I dunno whose will did it; GW or German law. After all, I wasn't there, was I? However, it certainly seems like GW is blaming German law to me. In the article I liked to, the GW HEad IP Terminator talked about GW "not having a choice" under the applicable laws a few times. I think it's crap, but the voice in me saying it's crap DOES have a bit more "whiny 5 year old" to it tha I would like.

Its not impossible (in germany) to get fanwork official.
Maybe the law demands them to take risks and someone
decided to stay secure?
I hope next time fans take care to receive a "official approval"
before investing so much.

You cant make a "40k" movie. 40k is a setting (one could also say franchise), not a plot. It needs to be focused to something like the IG, or Marines, or an Inquisitor.

The first 40k movie (if its every made) should focus on the more general aspect of 40k. I would make it about an inquisitor who is investigating deamonic activity. The inquisitor would probably travel to variety of planets and interact with a few cultures. It could sort of be a gothic horror/fantasy/ sci fi adventure. During the film, the viewer would be introduced to the Warp, Chaos, the Imperium, Inquisition, and maybe Space Marines.

There would be no need for excessive blood spill, or an orgy of CGI. Assuming good writing, the audience would be drawn into the mystery and politics of being an Inquisitor. Action scenes would be inserted to keep things moving. There could be an assassination attempt, some type of chase sequence as the main character attempts to apprehend a suspect, a climactic final combat with a demon. And the best part yet, it could be done with a run time of 2 hrs.

yeah, and at the end you could have a dramatic fight scene with Grey Knights against daemons and the Inquisitor is leading the fight...


And then he could go against a Greater Daemon...

That would be a good ending!

that would be a great setup movie. Something to get the general publics attention, ya know?
then people read books, look online, play the game ect... you end up with fewer kids into it and more mature people, and you start releasing movies with other aspects of 40k, including the more violent ones. This would probably be a better idea than the whole animatrix style intro's to 40k before similair movies idea I mentioned earlier.

Anime would be great, but it could only be made to work well if the movie revolved mostly around Tau, as they lend themselves to anime best, imho.

so we're talking only space marines, not W40k in total. or would there be like, installments or something? every army has it's own back story and movies in particular. otherwise if it's just SM it's gonna piss alot of people off. like me. it's always SM, never anyone else.

Being as I would like to end up in the film making industry, I've actruly thought this over a few times and think I have a pretty good idea on how it could be done.

The best option would be to base a film on 'Battle for Macragge'.
The film would start off with a montarge of past ivents with narration explaining the basics of universe, ie: who the Emperors is, what the Space Marines are so on.

From there we set the story up with the distruction of the Benedicto followed by the Missions in the Battle for Macragge rule book. And we then move on towards the rest off the story, the deffence of the Chapter Fortress and death of the 1st company before the Ultramarines ultamate victory.

There is an alternative to a movie though. One that could better show off the intire galaxy; A TV series, with each episode having a diffrent story set some where in the galaxy.

ANY CHAPTER BUT THE ULTRAMARINES, ANY STORY BUT MACCRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know I am not the only person who feels that way, there are many groups and chapters/races much cooler and more interesting than the ultras and their god-damned obbsession with bug-squashing.

Autarch: you are right, only sm would suck. It would probably be best to do it like other movies with sweeping storylines do it: multiple plot-lines, only two to three tops over the series, and no more than 5 or so that are relavant to each other per movie. this would make it much easier to tie in more of the races, and would make somthing like Abbadons 13th or the Heresey more doable.

What about liike a Scifi channel mini-series? I think that might be aq little closer to do-able, what do you guys think?

Dessel Ordo wrote: ANY CHAPTER BUT THE ULTRAMARINES, ANY STORY BUT MACCRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know I am not the only person who feels that way, there are many groups and chapters/races much cooler and more interesting than the ultras and their god-damned obbsession with bug-squashing.

Autarch: you are right, only sm would suck. It would probably be best to do it like other movies with sweeping storylines do it: multiple plot-lines, only two to three tops over the series, and no more than 5 or so that are relavant to each other per movie. this would make it much easier to tie in more of the races, and would make somthing like Abbadons 13th or the Heresey more doable.

I do relise that the Ultramarines are over expossed but them and Macragge are the best choice for a movie. Its simple self contained and can be followed buy even the most simple minded cinema go-er. Any thing with multiple storys would be to much for some one new to the who concept of WH40K to handle and would be confusing.

Lets face it, it would cost multi-millions to make a decent live action WH40K film, so in order to get a return on the film (Otherwise GW ain't gonna make it) their going to need to make it appeal to more then just the games/collectors.

Aeddon wrote:What about liike a Scifi channel mini-series? I think that might be aq little closer to do-able, what do you guys think?

NO! NO WAY! Sci-Fi would only it up!

To make a smurf-free movie under the rule of GW?

The only flexible plot could be a ordo xenos Inquisitor.
He/she can recruit a lot of different characters and have access to the cool stuff.Enough power with the Inquisition to
back up,the story is free to run from human to xeno-inhabitet worlds.Even alliances between races can be done
without crapping 40k fluff.Who else could give a entry and short overview of 40k than a person walking in shadow
and light.?

Most important a main-character plus a few"helpers"and some opponents is something to work out and get remembered!
Movie-fans love a great character and will spread the word about the crushing action-scenes to anyone out there.
Short but well done action might catch more attention than 4hours bad cut/too dark/splatter onlyscenes.

I know,the complaints will be gigantic,all "my favourite army got not enough time as it deserves" fanboys may gather
in the web to anyone involved in this movie to utter distinction.

That could work!

Aeddon wrote:What about liike a Scifi channel mini-series? I think that might be aq little closer to do-able, what do you guys think?

NO! NO WAY! Sci-Fi would only it up!

I think the best way would be to start in animated media, like Clone Wars or the like.

The BLOODQUEST movie!!!

Anyone?

I was fourteen, there had never been a GT in Australia, and there were two ugly towers marring the New York skyline!

IN THE YEAR 2000, (probably started the year before or so), a rumour floated through unknown space to settle upon a legion of fans. A crappy cgi film! With a land raider in it! It was, of course, based on Warhammer Monthly's series of the same name, and a group named Exile Films was responsible... that's about all I ever found out. My trusty WD251 gave me that much info - three months before the 6th edition Dwarves were released, and a little while after the Third War for Armageddon started. Fanantic started up under the eye of Jervis, now called Specialist Games or some crap. Back then the standard boxed set of troops was $34.95AU. Now it's $50AU. The Chaos Landraider was released (obviously just LR with spiky bitz). Craftworld Eldar had come out the month before. The first part of the 6th ed. Dogs of War list was in that issue (in Aus) too.

Uhh... but I'm sure you've all got that.

Thats amusing i was about 9 when that movie was suposed to come out, unforetunely that was scraped for some reason or another, maybe the Tyranids ate it!!

There was also a short movie around 25mins created by GW, it was called The Inquisitor it was about some Inquisitor and Space MArines who go looking for a secret key, its wierd and the space marines are only human size which is wrong.

Also there is Hive Infestation which is essenstially Space Hulk movie, and Blood for the Blood God, guess what thats about...

For The Inquisitor though it has a 4-part you tube thingy, look it up, its quite amusing. lol

i would say the inquisitor would be good
he could run around with his entourage and meet all the races and go to different worlds

my computer stright up refuses to be good today so i couldnt rly read any of the replys besides like 2
so forgive me if this has been said before
i finks that if one was to be made, the horus heresy would be perfecto
i mean theres already books written and who ever was making the movie could go off thioes
its true that they could only include the bare mimimum (like the crusades starting, horus turing. drop pod slaughter, the attack on terra, ya kno, the meat) but that dosent mean it wqouldnt kick booty
on the down side, some one owuld have to play, ya know, A GOD. so thats a tensie problem. and someone would hasve to play the lunitic killer that is horus.
but othere than that, its preety easy
well
relitevly speaking