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40kenthusiast wrote:The straw which broke my back was the new victory conditions. With only troops scoring necrons now have no one expendable to achieve 5th's brutal victory conditions...while the enemy can simple aim for phase out and ignore the difficult new missions. That means that in tournaments the enemy may be elated to draw Decepticrons, simply because scoring a victory with the scoring system in 5th is nearly impossible otherwise. I refuse to play a list that slaughters scrubs and then gives the tourney to whichever Ork is lucky enough to draw you in the later rounds.

I think this is taking a negative view of things.

You don't HAVE to contest every objective.

Put yours in a corner, put a squad of Warriors within 3" and behind cover...and go to ground anytime Orks shoot at you.

Most of what they shoot will pierce your armor, and shoota fights you can win.

Outranging Lootas isn't terribly difficult.

Sit your scarabs on your side of the board, and wait for the Ork hordes to get their first two turns of running in.

Then zoom to their side of the board with your scarabs. They can turn around and Waaagh! back, or you get to eat lootas and all their assorted support units for breakfast.

If they Waaagh! back, how are they going to get to you again? 6" move, D6" Waaagh!, 6" assault, and a followup 6" pile-in so they all really far from you.

I call it the checkers army. It requires nerves of steel, but it does work against many armies.

Guardians with Avatar support, reapers in the backfield, rangers...you can beat the crap out of those units. They are just as bad as you are, but you have 4x their attacks and 3x their wounds.

IG and Tau can sit back and fire, and they can't down you at long range. They need to be closer to down your T5 guys with lots of firepower.

Mech Tau and Mech Eldar need to move forward to be effective. This gives you Warrior shots, and you can zoom over their mech to get behind them with Scarabs. Might not seem like much, but Scarabs with disruption fields own mech armies--not by themselves, but by tackling those units that the rest of the Necrons couldn't get.

So while I don't think much of the older Necron lists and never really have, I think if you run Scarab heavy you can still contest.

Which in the end, is all that matters in objective missions. Right?

"At the 2008 Adepticon Invitational Orks took 1st and 2nd spots"

I played on table one against the guy who took it in the last round. It was a great game, but ultimately he got primary. The problem is that it was only a great game because of mistakes on his part, which were due to never having played serious Necrons before. If we played it again he'd probably stomp me. The style of Horde Ork army he played is, to my mind, likely to be victorious against any flavor of Necrons.

If I remember correctly, Necrons have never shown up very well in the UKGT results. I don't know why.

With the exception of the Ard Boyz, I haven't seen necrons with any real success in big tourneys.

the uk gt is at to low of a point level to make the slightly competitive necron builds.

While I may not be the voice of a GT player, all I know is I like my Necrons, and have good success rates playing them locally with lists that are called bad lists here on Dakka.