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reds8n wrote:..some fairly epic thread necromancy here fella.. .. but..

..we'll see how it goes anyway.

Yes, I know, but I wasn't here the first time around and the topic really spiked my interest. Also: That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons death may die. ... ahem

Sounds like a job for Adeptus Soriatus (sp?) to me. Although, theoritically the Inquisition can requisition anybody's help my first pick to deal with a zombie horde would be Fanatical Nuns with flamethrowers. Seriously.

Theoretically yes. But the Adepta Sororitas are not easy to requisition even for Inquisitors-- and Radicals that try are risking their lives.

But they are for The Ordo herectus. I would bet most Sepulturum Inquisitors are originally Herectus (maybe some Malleus) as its a new ordo.
Sure you could drop a few pods of Grey Knights in there but it just seems like a waste of bolter ammo. Cleaning up a zombie plague is also more of a house-to-house hedge-to-hedge affair taking years. Something the stike-force Astartes usually say "no thankyou" to. That type of cleansing really is up the Sisters alley.

Guard fighting zombies tend to become Guard-Zombies.

It's really Sisters or Exterminatus IMO.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:But they are for The Ordo herectus.

Nope, even for the Ordo Hereticus it isn't necessarily easy to obtain assistance from the Sisters of Battle. Source is Dark Heresy: Ascension, which discusses the powers and influence an Inquisitor has in much more detail than GW does.

And how does a sisterhood go about turning down The Ordo of whom they are the Chamber militant too?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Guard fighting zombies tend to become Guard-Zombies.

It's really Sisters or Exterminatus IMO.

If the "zombie" plague in 40k was an actual disease, you'd be right. It's not contagious, seemingly. It's all based on "Faith"(or the lack thereof in the case of those who fall to it).

It's a Nurgle gifted plague that tends to focus in on battlefields where a Great Unclean One has or is currently active. Read "Cadian Blood" for a better idea of how it functions.

Oh, and the Ordo Sepulturum? They have no Chamber Militant as it stands right now. An Inquisitor Lord of the Ordo was required to requisition a Cadian Armored Regiment and get some Raven Guard support for what was, at the time, a major operation of the Ordo.

In some stories it functions as a "normal" zombie plague. William Kings SW books have an entire planet succumbing to it. I would say Horus rising too. Both versions are acceptable. There's plenty of zombie plagues to go around.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:And how does a sisterhood go about turning down The Ordo of whom they are the Chamber militant too?

This is a very good point.

Perhaps an inquisitor from another ordos will be provided with a smaller force, but for an ordo hereticus to demand SOB and not be given them seems.... odd.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:In some stories it functions as a "normal" zombie plague. William Kings SW books have an entire planet succumbing to it. I would say Horus rising too. Both versions are acceptable. There's plenty of zombie plagues to go around.

The Horus Rising one is the exact same as Cadian Blood's.

A Great Unclean One created from a former Imperial subject loses their faith in their cause, zombie shenanigans ensue.

Ordo Sepulturum chambers militant should be Soul Flies. they could have a special weapon called a Nailbomb.

that's my idea...

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:And how does a sisterhood go about turning down The Ordo of whom they are the Chamber militant too?

This is a very good point.

Perhaps an inquisitor from another ordos will be provided with a smaller force, but for an ordo hereticus to demand SOB and not be given them seems.... odd.

Because the Sisters are rarely just sitting there doing nothing.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:And how does a sisterhood go about turning down The Ordo of whom they are the Chamber militant too?

Simple, in not really being the Chamber Militant of that Ordo, but that of the Ecclesiarchy. The SOB have a very ancient concord with the Ordo Hereticus to assist it in fighting heresy and during the millenia this cooperation has become so firmly established that it almost is as if it was truly the Hereticus own Chamber militant. But only almost. So if a Lord Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus asks a Sororitas Convent for something he will be a) most probably polite when phrasing his requests and b) most certainly granted those, if they are in the power of the SOB to grant.
A more simple "Field-Inquisitor" will have a much harder time, needing a very good reason and good connections to the SOB and/or the ecclesiarchy to get anything more then a Squad of Sisters for a very limited time. Or maybe just a cuppa tea.

Someone from outside the Ordo Hereticus would need exceptional good connections to get Battle Sisters at all. And I am afraid, more radical Inquisitors of any kind would be glad to get even that cuppa instead of a pyre.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:In some stories it functions as a "normal" zombie plague. William Kings SW books have an entire planet succumbing to it. I would say Horus rising too. Both versions are acceptable. There's plenty of zombie plagues to go around.

Indeed, there is more then one type of "Zombie" around the WH40K galaxy. From this kind of Plaguezombies to more "regular" Zombies (as in animated by Necromancers and Tech Heretics of all shades) to Zombie-Mutants. And as was said before in this thread, the one that interests us here most is a disease of the mind and of faith. Jaded, specially trained or experienced IG, Arbites or Acolytes would not fare that much worse here, especially when accompanied by Psykers, Ecclesiarchy Priests and Commisars who know what to expect.

Melissia wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:And how does a sisterhood go about turning down The Ordo of whom they are the Chamber militant too?

This is a very good point.

Perhaps an inquisitor from another ordos will be provided with a smaller force, but for an ordo hereticus to demand SOB and not be given them seems.... odd.

Because the Sisters are rarely just sitting there doing nothing.

Well depends... those secluded in monasteries etc. most certainl do! :-) But seriously, when talking about Sororitas aiding the Sepulturum, don't forget that not all Sororita Sisters are BATTLEsisters. Some of the other branches, like the Sisters Hospitaller or the Sistsers Dialogus might be more inclined to cooperate here, then their more martially inclined Sisters.

If they sit around all day why would anyone want to play them? Seems odd.
Any wonder there is currently a fight within the studio to drop them from any future updates.

Space marines would be more active than SOB and if an Inquisitor turns up and asks/requests a force then they are given.
A notable exception to this would be SWs and DAs (at least on older fluff for SWs), who would still give aid, but would be reluctant to let the Inquisitors delve into their affairs.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:If they sit around all day why would anyone want to play them? Seems odd.
Any wonder there is currently a fight within the studio to drop them from any future updates.

Space marines would be more active than SOB and if an Inquisitor turns up and asks/requests a force then they are given.
A notable exception to this would be SWs and DAs (at least on older fluff for SWs), who would still give aid, but would be reluctant to let the Inquisitors delve into their affairs.

I doubt that the real Battlesisters are sitting around much, but bear in mind that they will already be quite occupied with their usual duties, like guarding high ranking Ecclesiarchs, patrolling and policing ecclesiarchal fiefs and so on. So they won't be inclined to just jump and do the bidding of any upstart Inquisitor unless he has a very good case or very good connections.

And Astartes are even worse. They will certainly NOT just assign a Squad of Marines to someone without VERY good reasons. Look for example at the Fluff for the Siege of Vraks. They got SMs only because it was convenient for a SM Task Force that was nearbye only because they just finished beating up some pirates in the vincinity. Then the Dark Angels came, but again only because they hoped they might find some of their Fallen Angels there. When none could be found they just left again. Only when the Lord Provost Inquisitor of the whole frigging Scarus Conclave started asking very politely and sent out envoys that in some cases negotiated for months and years, did they get any sizable SM Force together for one of the strategically most important and biggest conflict close to the Eye of Terror outside the Black Crusades. (This does of course not include the Grey Knights, who of course answered the call of the Ordo Malleus quickly and decisively, but they are a special case).

Bear in mind that in a given Sector there will probably be less then a squad of Sororitas per Planet and not even one SM. Most planets won't see either of those groups in millenia. Fluff for Dark Heresy for example has it that the Calyxis Sector, where the setting is placed, has NO SM chapter and only one sizable Sororitas Convent. This means a few hundered Sisters and only those SMs that serve with the Death Watch there, plus a Squad or so Grey Knights attached to the Malleus of the Inquisition HQ on Scintilla. I think this is quite realistic for a Sector that is not near Sol or a major Battlefront.
Multiply that number of course for Sectors like Scarus, but then again in those places there will be even more tasks and missions for all of them so requisitioning any SM or SOB will just get harder for everyone except the Lords of the great Ordos.

It's clearly the Troops of Doom.



Ba Dum Tsss!

Hastus_Drake is basically correct. The assistance of a squad of Sororitas might be easier to obtain than a squad of Astartes, but either way it's not going to be easy unless the Inquisitor in question has a lot of influence. Even if they do, sometimes the situation just doesn't allow for it.

That's why the Inquisition has Inquisitorial Stormtroopers to begin with. They exist solely to serve the Inquisition and nothing else, and therefor they are always at an Inquisitor's beck and call.

That is an exception. Generally, the sisterhood is enthusiastic about the prospect of helping a Ordo Herectus Inquisitor deal with heresy not reticent.

There are times when Imperial Guard don't respond to the orders of a Lord General Militant but that's the exception not the rule and not really worth mentioning unless I just feel like making a contrarian point for tha sake of annoyance.