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Ozymandias wrote:

Salad_Fingers wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I voted straight American Communist Party because People's Daily said only Marxism can explain the current financial crisis.

It has been established that free-market capitalism merely leads to rampant greed and exploitation and results in an inevitable financial collapse. Well good old Karl Marx warned us about all this almost what 150 years ago?

Yay for socialism, shoot the capatalist, man the baricades etc etc...

Though to be fair Marx seems to be right in Das capital about alot of the stuff that is happening at the moment

The same stuff was happening when he wrote his theories. Yet he forgot that humans are innovative and always find solutions to the current problems. Things got better then, they'll get better now.


Back OT: I'm writing in Teh Spase Emperor for 2008!

Ozymandias, King of Kings

It's Teh Space Emporer.

I haven't voted yet, gotta wait till after work.

I like some things about McCain, some things about Obama, and I hate some things about McCain, and some things about Obama. I don't really feel either are worthy of my vote, so I think I will be voting for HypnoToad as well.

If anyone wants to vote for me though, I'll make sure you get that free cup of coffee at starbucks.

I also voted this morning, for the first time, and glad of it. I'd always held to the truth that my vote doesn't truly count (electoral college and all) but I couldn't pass up the chance to vote on some local issues like decreasing the pay for county commisioners.

Despite claims of 2-hour waits and attempts at voter discouragement by local political groups in Florida, my voting precinct had a wait of about 10 minutes. Everyone was extremely helpful and unlike the voting machine fiasco in '04, the ballots were very simple to understand and had no chads to interfere with ballot counting. Simply draw a line connecting the arrows for the candidate or YES/NO on the measure in question.

C'mon guys, take the time, make it count!


This announcement paid for by the Council to Elect Hypnotoad.

NAVARRO wrote:I wonder how much money goes down the drain in such never ending campaigns?
But yeah I'm sick and tired of US elections and I live in Portugal...

A couple billion dollars over all (counting back to campaign kickoffs, through the primaries, and all the "independent" funding sources for ads (such as poltical action parties, special interests that pay for it - I just got a recorded phone call from Hank Williams Jr urging me to vote for the Republican tickets in VA...)).

Think about it - if you had a couple billion dollars what would you do with it?

Datadep5 wrote:Hopefully the trend of "picking the lesser of two evils" goes away.

Doubtful. There's about as much chance of that happening as GW releasing a tournament rules set that is air tight...

I voted early.


and often...

Salad_Fingers wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I voted straight American Communist Party because People's Daily said only Marxism can explain the current financial crisis.

It has been established that free-market capitalism merely leads to rampant greed and exploitation and results in an inevitable financial collapse. Well good old Karl Marx warned us about all this almost what 150 years ago?

Yay for socialism, shoot the capatalist, man the baricades etc etc...

Though to be fair Marx seems to be right in Das capital about alot of the stuff that is happening at the moment

No it has not been established that a free market will always collapse.

One thing that you forget to mention about socialism/Marxism is the inevitable abuse of power and the mass murders resulting from a typical leftist tyranny.

budro wrote:Think about it - if you had a couple billion dollars what would you do with it?

I would probably buy one of those new laser beam planes that can fly around and make bad guys spontaneously combust from 50 miles away.

Panic wrote:yeah,
Why vote, one vote doesn't change anything...

That's why I always vote more then once

I don't know if I just didn't notice this in 04 or they change formats, but my ballot had a write in option. I spent like a minute or so under going a fierce internal conflict on whether or not to put down Cthulhu.

ChaosDave wrote:
One thing that you forget to mention about socialism/Marxism is the inevitable abuse of power and the mass murders resulting from a typical leftist tyranny.

I gre up in communism and I don't recall any mass murders. Some political prisoners and some abuse of power, sure, but less of both than in the modern USA, the self-proclaimed cradle of democracy (ROFLMAO)

I voted this morning. I now have the right to bitch about anything that happens for the next four years.

lord_blackfang wrote:

ChaosDave wrote:
One thing that you forget to mention about socialism/Marxism is the inevitable abuse of power and the mass murders resulting from a typical leftist tyranny.

I gre up in communism and I don't recall any mass murders. Some political prisoners and some abuse of power, sure, but less of both than in the modern USA, the self-proclaimed cradle of democracy (ROFLMAO)

Really?

20MM to 50MM: USSR
25MM to 100MM: China
1MM (population of 4MM at time): Cambodia

On the positive I now know to doubt the veracity of anything you post from this point forward.

Cambodia only became Communist because we bombed the gak out of them in a poor attempt to get the Viet Cong. This destabilized the government enough for Pol Pot to roll on in.

Once again proving that the US is really, really good at getting things to swing right towards the other side

Anyone else notice as the campaign went on that the candidates starting sounding more and more like chaos gods?

McCain seems to have a thing for fighting since he mentions in incredibly frequently every speech (Khrone)
Obama. Change. Need I say more? (Tzeentch)

I cede your point if you can show how thats relevant to the point of the brilliantly false statement that blackfang somehow survived communism without being aware of the millions of dead that resulted from it.

In one case you can say: ignorance is bliss thanks to comrade propaganda. The other is the disbelief of your country doing something like that.

I voted for Lando Calrissian.

I mean, Palpatine built the Death Stars!
(Topless Robot's video of the day...ftw)

Le Grognard wrote:Don't like Obama. Don't like McCain's choice for VP. I will voice my choice by not voting. That way I can gripe at whoever wins and say "well, I didn't vote for them." Besides, Rush (the band) said in the song Free Will; "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Unless Hypno-Toad gets elected, then I'm jumping on the bandwagon. Or Cthulhu. Or Papa Nurgle.

That's why you can write in a vote.. write in Hypno-Toad.. AT least at that point you voted. Otherwise, for all the complaining, you've accomplished nothing.

syr8766 wrote:Apparently, if you vote, you can get a free coffee at Starbucks.

I'm pretty sure this is a brain-washing technique used by the illuminati, and I voted this morning and was going to vote anyway, but really, coffee.

Starbucks and coffee in the same sentence. The world collapses...

And yeah, remember kids, communism kills people. It almost killed my grandfather, he spend something like a year in the condemned cell (and it was not a luxury resort like you Yanks have now) only to be saved by a timely amnesty and some pretty expensive drugs send in by nice Austrian ex-Luftwaffe officers my grandauntie saved during the WW2 from commies. A few months later and I wound't be here spamming with you... I kid you not, my family have dozens of stories like that.

"I know this isn't really minatures related, but today is election day."

Dude, everybody knows. it's everywhere. EVERYWHERE.
And now, it's here too. Even worst, it's in the news section.

News flash: Today is the election day!

oh yeah, I almost forgot:
Hail Hypno-Toad !

Frazzled wrote:
Really?

20MM to 50MM: USSR
25MM to 100MM: China
1MM (population of 4MM at time): Cambodia

On the positive I now know to doubt the veracity of anything you post from this point forward.

You forgot

East Germany
Poland
Czechoslovakia
Romania
Vietnam
North Korea
Angola
Cuba
It's happening now in Venezuela

ChaosDave wrote:

Salad_Fingers wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I voted straight American Communist Party because People's Daily said only Marxism can explain the current financial crisis.

It has been established that free-market capitalism merely leads to rampant greed and exploitation and results in an inevitable financial collapse. Well good old Karl Marx warned us about all this almost what 150 years ago?

Yay for socialism, shoot the capatalist, man the baricades etc etc...

Though to be fair Marx seems to be right in Das capital about alot of the stuff that is happening at the moment

No it has not been established that a free market will always collapse.

One thing that you forget to mention about socialism/Marxism is the inevitable abuse of power and the mass murders resulting from a typical leftist tyranny.

The same happens under rightist tyrannies such as Argentina under the generals, etc.

All tyrannies are bad.

Kilkrazy wrote:

The same happens under rightist tyrannies such as Argentina under the generals, etc.

All tyrannies are bad.

The difference being that the natural progression for a leftist government is inevitably a tyranny. Let me put it to you in a way that you can understand using current conservative thought vs. liberal thought in the USA.

Conservatives for the most part want smaller government, less involvement by the government on the lives of it's citizens, less taxes and less of the government telling you what you can and cannot do. Essentially government is a necessary evil that is tolerated and never trusted. This means that the people are always more important than the state and abuse of power is more difficult as the government simply doesn't have the power to abuse it's citizens.

Liberals on the other hand want big government. They intend for the government to take control of major aspects of the citizens lives to allow them to "redistribute wealth" and force everyone into an economic equality. Here in lies the problem. Once the government is given these powers it is extremely difficult to remove said powers and the acquisition of more and more power becomes easier and easier. This creates a situation where the state becomes more important than the people since it is controlling every aspect of it's citizens lives and determines what is best for them and itself. Once that happens killing off "undesirable elements" becomes second nature simply by being "good for the state".

Sometimes I wonder how an election would turn out if campaigns spent their money on actually educating people about the where, when, why and hows of issues, rather than relying on expected baises and ignorance to convince someone to vote a certain way.


It'll never happen though.

Railguns wrote:Sometimes I wonder how an election would turn out if campaigns spent their money on actually educating people about the where, when, why and hows of issues, rather than relying on expected baises and ignorance to convince someone to vote a certain way.


It'll never happen though.

The democrats would never win an election again.

The largest expansions of the US government were implemented by Ronald Regan and George W Bush. What politicians DO is often very different from what they SAY.

BloodofOrks wrote:The largest expansions of the US government were implemented by Ronald Regan and George W Bush. What politicians DO is often very different from what they SAY.

You need to finish that quote. "Largest expansion since FDR"

Also note that those expansions were is response to outside threats. One ended the cold war and the other to fight terrorism.

ChaosDave wrote:

BloodofOrks wrote:The largest expansions of the US government were implemented by Ronald Regan and George W Bush. What politicians DO is often very different from what they SAY.

You need to finish that quote. "Largest expansion since FDR"

Also note that those expansions were is response to outside threats. One ended the cold war and the other to fight terrorism.

All hail Hypno-Toad!

Can ChaosDave please take his political pushing elsewhere? I hear freerepublic is a pretty good sight for rightards... Most leftards prefer democraticunderground.

The problem with threads like these is people confuse responsible civic activism (voting = the win!) with political dogmatism (vote my way or you = the evil!).

I vote Slaanesh! moar bewbs nao!!!111!!11! kkthx

I'm voting Dukakis again...that guy looked great driving a tank.

And the Hypno Toad made me write this

Frazzled wrote:I cede your point if you can show how thats relevant to the point of the brilliantly false statement that blackfang somehow survived communism without being aware of the millions of dead that resulted from it.

Because the USSR and China were only two communist states ever, right?

My whole country has 2 million people, so I think I'd notice if they all vanished into the gulags one night.

But hey, don't let your "democratic" brainwashing stop you from calling me a liar.