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Pilau Rice wrote:

I think if it's immobilised you should be able to attack a walkers rear armour. I don't think the -1 attack is enough, I think you should be able to assault immobilised walkers rear armour.


If descriptions were rules, you would be correct... as the justification for why walkers are hit on front is their ability to "Turn and face its enemies" even though as already stated, immobilised vehicles cannot turn! (But descriptions are not rules, rules are rules)

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Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:
Pilau Rice wrote:

I think if it's immobilised you should be able to attack a walkers rear armour. I don't think the -1 attack is enough, I think you should be able to assault immobilised walkers rear armour.


If descriptions were rules, you would be correct... as the justification for why walkers are hit on front is their ability to "Turn and face its enemies" even though as already stated, immobilised vehicles cannot turn! (But descriptions are not rules, rules are rules)


Which is what I was saying before ... I dunno .. maybe it's my accent or something ...


Pilau Rice wrote:
DarthSpader wrote:Walkers in close combat swivel and spin so attackers hit front armor. However, should the walker get immobilized, cc attackers CAN attack the rear..


I think this is where this whole thing gets confusing as in the assault phase against a walker you always attack the front armour, and the attacks are reduced by 1 for the immobilised result. No attacking of the rear armour

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yakface wrote:No that cannot be argued and here is why:


Vehicle weapons are listed as having different mounting types in the rulebook (hull, sponson, turret, pintle). Although GW has gotten lazy about including what every weapon on a vehicle is mounted as (likely because true LOS makes it a bit pointless), the fact remains that there are specific rules for how walker weapons are mounted.

Walker weapons are *not* pintle, hull, sponson or turret mounted. They have their own specific rules for walkers that state (LIKE a hull mounted weapon) that they only fire 45 degrees to the front arc of the vehicle. It does not matter how the weapons look to be mounted on a vehicle, the rules are clear: they only fire 45 degrees to the front arc of the walker.

The rule you quoted is specific that a vehicle which is immobile cannot pivot and we know for certain how walker weapons are treated (45 degrees to the front arc), therefore there is no confusion and there is backing for an argument. Once a walker is immobile, its weapons may only fire 45 degrees to the vehicle's front arc.



Except, of course, your own admission in the fact that gw has gotten lazy about including what every weapon on a vehicle is mounted as.

Hell, a turret isn't even defined in the brb.

I play it the way that most folks seem to subscribe to in this thread, i.e. that immobilized walkers can't pivot and the rules seem to support this.

However, there is just enough grey area to make this another sore spot with gw's laziness with the rules.

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imweasel wrote:

Except, of course, your own admission in the fact that gw has gotten lazy about including what every weapon on a vehicle is mounted as.

Hell, a turret isn't even defined in the brb.

I play it the way that most folks seem to subscribe to in this thread, i.e. that immobilized walkers can't pivot and the rules seem to support this.

However, there is just enough grey area to make this another sore spot with gw's laziness with the rules.



But walker weapons *are* defined in the rules...they are not turret-mounted, they are not pintle-mounted, they are not sponson-mounted. They aren't even hull-mounted, the walker rules specify that their weapons can pivot 45 degrees LIKE hull mounted weapons.


So regardless of any other factors we DO know that walker weapons are not 'turret' mounted, they follow the rules for walker weapon mounts (45 degree arc to the front).


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for anyone who may be wondering what Yakface (and the rest of us) is referring to when he says how walker weapons are classified.

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