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could we see a model with added blood so we can judge if it helps the color
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I should also mention that blood is not something to be taken lightly in terms of disease and illness.
Blood borne diseases are numerous and varied, some can kill, others cane make your life miserable, and many do stay active for long after blood is spilled. Some diseases stay viable for 24 hours, I think one common one, maybe a hepatitis stays viable for up to a week. AIDS is an hour last I checked, maybe longer.
This is why stuff like cleaning crime scenes or places where there have been accidents is a serious and professional job that requires all sorts of nasty chemicals to remove all residue.
Anyone who just pricks themselves for blood at a moment's notice is strange enough, but it's likely they also aren't good at keeping clean. That tool they use to draw blood might also be dirty, which can cause nasty infections for that person.
Lastly, blood does not make a good paint, despite what people may say. The modern synthetics or natural mediums and pigments work better and are more permanent.
There's a distinct difference here in somebody who puts a drop of blood into a paint pot to make the army "his", and somebody who's slathering a Khorne Berserker in a steaming, coagulated mess of blood and paint, and finishing it by rubbing it on the open vein in his wrist.
I have no issue whatsoever with the former - there are hundreds (if not thousands) of artists throughout history who have put a daub of their blood on a canvas or fresco as a symbolic signature - it's a guarantee that the finished work unique to you. If you're concerned about disease...get over yourself. First, practically everything you CAN get (which isn't much) from dried blood is gone in under a week. The odds of you playing the guy inside that week are damned low. Secondly, sealant or varnish makes the whole issue moot - you aren't touching the paint/blood anyway. Finally, the odds of you getting something from an army painted like this are going to be orders of magnitude lower than getting herpes from a public toilet or something (which can and has happened). Unless YOU'RE ritualistically jabbing yourself with paint/blood covered WFB 2e goblin spearmen on a regular basis, you're just not gonna get sick from somebody's paint.
Now, the second case is grounds for mental treatment time. No doubt about that. But, I HIGHLY doubt that's what we're really talking about here.
It's nothing I've done, but I would jump to any conclussions that someone has some mental disorder for doing it. I mean, it Would get you the most realistic color for dried blood ever. Would a coat of varnish seal in any extras and protect it's duration on the fig as well?
That's a disgusting concept and anyone who does that needs to seek medical help. Despite it being a sign of mental illness and obsession, it is also incredibly unhygienic. You risk infection, poisoning from plastic/resin residues, and even worse the spread of illness and disease which can seriously affect others.
Anyone in our play group who did that would be banned and not invited to any more events. Period.
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Well, I can understand the reason why poeple might do that, but its extremely unclean, and as others have pointed out there is a much high risk of bacteria and virus's being on those miniatures, and before you say that its ok cus your the only one that will be touching them, just think of everything else you touch after handling the models, doors, objects, food, need i go on?.
Myself I'd most likely not play you knowing whats on them for hygene reasons more than anything.
I see nothing wrong with doing that, as long as it's properly sealed.
Is it seriously a social taboo to use blood for art? It's just blood. At least it's not like that one artist who revealed himself on his paintings once he was done, and even still, I don't see a problem with that. His art was amazing.
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Serious mental problem? No. Covering minis in blood does not necessarily make you obsessive. You might be a bit of a masochist, but hey. Some people are. Get over it. Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't make it wrong to, and it's already been thoroughly covered that anyone who's worried about months-old dried blood is a bit paranoid. I actually kind of find it amusing how bothered people are by it.
As for covering a mini in blood? I have, but it was an accident. I slammed my fist down on my friend's Necron Lord after a terrible die roll, and had to yank it out and go get stitches. He left the blood on it. I don't have a problem with that, however...
He now has a nasty habit for saying 'Blood for the C'tan'.
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Deff Dread red Edition wrote:
Also wouldn't the mini go brownish as the blood dries and gets older?
Well as I said, I've only done it to ONE model ever, but with a glaze of Baal Red and a varnish it's fine. It does look good, and none has flaked off so I'm assuming it's going to stay that way long term.
I also think that the people who are the most upset by this concept are probably "gamers" as opposed to "modellers". I'm an artist. I've been drawing and painting literally since the day I could hold a pen. Went to art school, and am currently an animation student at another learnign establishment. ARTISTS use things like their blood (or sweat, tears, saliva or worse...) in their paintings on a fairly regular basis.
Now, as an artist, I can safely tell you that from our perspective, any painting (canvas, wall, toy soldier) is a form of self expression. If you want to spend a lot of time effort and money on making a REALLY nice looking army, you get an "artistic" investment in it too. (emotional investment was the wrong term)
Despite being toy soldiers, the project as a whole means a lot to you, and you will have a massive, massive sense of achivement when you finish it. Being that wrapped up in a good project is normal for any artist, toy soldiers or no.
We (often) tend towards eccentricity and obsessiveness anyway, and adding a personal touch through a drop or two of blood is a satisfying way to make the project really feel complete - it is your creation, your lifeblood has touched it. All very symbolic but creepy to outsiders. The physical discomfort of a sharp blade making a shallow cut into your skin is negligable anyway, and thrill of uniting with an artwork that you care about removes any fleeting pain.
Slap some disinfectant on it, bandage it up and you're good to go.
By the by, I've was tested for blood-borne diseases 4 1/2 months ago , I'm clean.
As people have said, no-one's slitting their wrists and bleeding out over a khorne army; pretty much everyone who's admitted doing it have said it's either been for a small part of a single model, or a drop or two mixed into their acrylic paints. I think all these germaphobes and people crying "ohnoes! an artist added their blood to their work! they're totally insane and reprehensible, and I would never play a game of soldiers against them ever because they're vile persons!" need to chill out. It's not JUST a game, it's art too. Let artists be arty without belittling them. YOU don't have to play against the army, so don't call people disgusting or insane over the internet.
I play Nurgle, and once I thought about painting my models with egg whites and then letting them sit out in the sun. I didn't do it though, who would play against an army that smelled so bad that they couldn't stand to be in the room? Would I win by forfeit?
Come on, I'm a painter more than a gamer, but painting your army men in your blood is just weird. There's no legitimate reason for it, and i wager anyone who does it has never kissed a girl.
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one and they all stink.
All you people painting with blood, tell me where you live so I won't play you accidentally.
Just because the blood is old doesn't mean it isn't unhygienic. A bunch of dead red blood cells is going to be a good growth medium for bacteria.
Greyfox, ktulhut; if artists want to do crazy gak like that, fine. (I still think there's a mental problem if you have to put your blood in something. All the hours you spent on painting something, that's not personal enough?) It's going to hang on a wall. But models are going to be in public, handled by you, possibly other people. And then you'll touch the things around you, and spread the bacteria.
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As for the artist aspect... yeah... I consider myself an artist too. But I dont need to paint something with my own blood to call it my own as I know what is mine and what isnt. Really, come on now.
Random guy: That model isn't yours at all!
Blood painter: Yes it is, do a DNA test and you'll see!
For those that were painting their Khorne Berzerkers with their own blood I need to tell you something very important: KHORNE IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER IN A FICTIONAL GAME IN A FICTIONAL SETTING AND DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXSIT!
I prefer my opponents to be of sound mind and thus will not play this game against anyone living in a delusional world where the "Blood God" will make your little plastic men do better (which really has nothing to do with the models... why not cover the dice in blood? Freaks!).
Yes well I am more of a modeller as well,its not that it repulses me as from an art perspective lots of artists use thier blood in thier work,I am just saying that well its not for me.
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anticitizen013 wrote:After reading this thread... I feel bad for playing Chaos. I don't want to be associated with people that paint their models with blood.
Be advised: KHORNE DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST!
right. and yet we have people who actually say his chant in real life... in a song...thats all over the interwebz
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Vengis wrote: Just because the blood is old doesn't mean it isn't unhygienic. A bunch of dead red blood cells is going to be a good growth medium for bacteria.
Varnish, varnish, varnish.
Greyfox, ktulhut; if artists want to do crazy gak like that, fine. (I still think there's a mental problem if you have to put your blood in something. All the hours you spent on painting something, that's not personal enough?) It's going to hang on a wall. But models are going to be in public, handled by you, possibly other people. And then you'll touch the things around you, and spread the bacteria.
Once again, I can appreciate the sentiment for whole armies with blood in the paint, but at least in regards to my use of it, how often will anyone (at least anyone who doesn't deserve something bad happening to 'em) pick up someone elses chaos knight champion by the weapon? How often will I pick it up by the weapon? The answer is never. It's got a thick varnish, the blood won't flake off even when I tried to make it, anyway.
Greebynog wrote:i wager anyone who does it has never kissed a girl.
I wager half of Dakka has never kissed a girl! Seriously though, it's not about being so deluded and nerdy you try to appease Khorne, it's just morbid artistry. Chicks love morbid artists.
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This is why all Warhammer players, when asked by members of the opposite sex what they do in their free time, should say "Im a painter." and not "I play a game called Warhammer..."
If by some miracle the Warhammer player does move closer to being in a relationship they would just need to justify their statement with "Yes, I paint the models, and there happens to be a game based around them, there is an interesting backstory with lots of history... etc."
sorry for the thread hijack.
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Vengis wrote:Just because the blood is old doesn't mean it isn't unhygienic. A bunch of dead red blood cells is going to be a good growth medium for bacteria.
No. No it isn't. Go spill some blood somewhere. See if it leaves a brown stain there, or if a colony of bacteria grows.
The amount you would be talking about here would be miniscule in comparison to the paint anyway.
I wonder how many put blood in to make it Khornate, and how many do it to personalise the model. If it was not a Khornate model, I think people would have far less issues with it.
Blood to make it personal = intense and slightly creepy.
Blood to make it Khornate = really sodding weird and freaky, and I don't want to play with you.
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Seriously though, it's not about being so deluded and nerdy you try to appease Khorne, it's just morbid artistry. Chicks love morbid artists. 