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Greebynog wrote:I think wanting every non-white person out of the country's pretty racist...

Depends on your point of view. Now, keep in mind I'm taking the devils advocate here, but are they saying non white or immigrant populations? Also some people just want to live amongst people who are like them. I have people I don't like, but unfortunately I can't characterize them as a racial group but only as individuals I don't particularly like. Anyhow, there are racists in this world, big deal. Why waste so much energy worrying about it?

From what I've read, the BNP being racist depends on how you define racist. I doubt they are motivated by hate as much as fear and frustration. Like most people, they want pretty much the same thing, they just want to go about it in a manner which you or I might not agree with.

They're a legitimate organization made up of racist idiots. It's the nice face of some pretty bad feelings, and it's not a particularly nice face. They have some reasonable ideas, and some very unreasonable ones but the underlining ideals behind their ideas are almost all illogical and racist.

It's basically the british whites party.

ShumaGorath wrote:

From what I've read, the BNP being racist depends on how you define racist. I doubt they are motivated by hate as much as fear and frustration. Like most people, they want pretty much the same thing, they just want to go about it in a manner which you or I might not agree with.

They're a legitimate organization made up of racist idiots. It's the nice face of some pretty bad feelings, and it's not a particularly nice face. They have some reasonable ideas, and some very unreasonable ones but the underlining ideals behind their ideas are almost all illogical and racist.

It's basically the british whites party.

They are widely considered a racial separatist party. Still, the best solution is to vote against them if you don't like it. If you do nasty things you're just going to justify their view of being persecuted, and the way you deal with being persecuted is separatism. I don't understand why people get so riled at that sort of thing.

I agree with you Grignard that two wrongs don't make a right. I have protested peacefully against the BNP, and will be voting against them. They want all non-whites out of the country, even those born here. To me that is the very meaning of racist.

Grignard wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

From what I've read, the BNP being racist depends on how you define racist. I doubt they are motivated by hate as much as fear and frustration. Like most people, they want pretty much the same thing, they just want to go about it in a manner which you or I might not agree with.

They're a legitimate organization made up of racist idiots. It's the nice face of some pretty bad feelings, and it's not a particularly nice face. They have some reasonable ideas, and some very unreasonable ones but the underlining ideals behind their ideas are almost all illogical and racist.

It's basically the british whites party.

They are widely considered a racial separatist party. Still, the best solution is to vote against them if you don't like it. If you do nasty things you're just going to justify their view of being persecuted, and the way you deal with being persecuted is separatism. I don't understand why people get so riled at that sort of thing.

Do I seem riled?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Grignard wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

From what I've read, the BNP being racist depends on how you define racist. I doubt they are motivated by hate as much as fear and frustration. Like most people, they want pretty much the same thing, they just want to go about it in a manner which you or I might not agree with.

They're a legitimate organization made up of racist idiots. It's the nice face of some pretty bad feelings, and it's not a particularly nice face. They have some reasonable ideas, and some very unreasonable ones but the underlining ideals behind their ideas are almost all illogical and racist.

It's basically the british whites party.

They are widely considered a racial separatist party. Still, the best solution is to vote against them if you don't like it. If you do nasty things you're just going to justify their view of being persecuted, and the way you deal with being persecuted is separatism. I don't understand why people get so riled at that sort of thing.

Do I seem riled?

You? Not really, no

I think ill go ahead and piss you off even more by backing them
Why? simply because i can.
I wont go into too much detail as it tends to de-rail threads.

JD21290 wrote:I think ill go ahead and piss you off even more by backing them
Why? simply because i can.
I wont go into too much detail as it tends to de-rail threads.

This thread is about the BNP, I can't think of a better place for it. Really JD, voting for the BNP 'because you can' is ridiculous.

Greebynog wrote:

JD21290 wrote:I think ill go ahead and piss you off even more by backing them
Why? simply because i can.
I wont go into too much detail as it tends to de-rail threads.

This thread is about the BNP, I can't think of a better place for it. Really JD, voting for the BNP 'because you can' is ridiculous.

I don't know, that was the primary reason I voted the way I did when I was in grad school. I liked to poke at people to see what would happen. I still do to some extent.

Fair point there greeby.
They do have alot of good ideas, granted some may be rather extreme, but lets face it, the UK is fethed at the moment and its only getting worse, might aswell welcome them in here as a do or die plan


Edit: missed out 2 words.

Considering the BNP are the most homophobic, racist, anti-semitic political party in existence in the UK, I think I'd rather vote Labour than them. And considering how much I despise New Labour, that's really saying something.

JD21290 wrote:Fair point there greeby.
They do have alot of good ideas, granted some may be rather extreme, but lets face it, the UK is fethed at the moment and its only getting worse, might aswell welcome them in here as a do or die plan


Edit: missed out 2 words.

Why not? It worked when the German Workers party overthrew the Weimar Republic.

Remember that? Some new guys with some racist and incredibly extreme views rose up during a period of economic failure? How well did that one go again?

There's a reason they're called the BNP.
It stands for the British *coughNazicough*I mean, National Party.

Oh yes, please vote them in, because we all want a pseudo-Hitler in the government.

Anyhow, there are racists in this world, big deal. Why waste so much energy worrying about it?

Pick any one of History's many Ethic cleansing or genocides. I pick the USA's native Americans. Not only do they have the heart beaking trail of tears but Jefferson takes some cheap shot at them in the decleration of Independence

JD21290@ England has survived the full brunt of Hitler, horrible plagues, Tyrant like Kings, and a host of other things, they owned a good chunk of the world at one point. I'm sure they can handle a lil downturn.

And another thing. There are many reasons to do something, but simply because you can is never a good thing. First it shows a complete lack of understading consequences for your actions, what innocents might be harmed and so forth. What raises humans above other animals is their reasoning. Don't something that can have so much impact for no reason other than "I can" is a mark of a spoiled kid or a sure sign of Imaturity (Not saying you are any of those). A grown man or woman knows that something as important as a vote has long reaching world wide effects. How would the world react to this party? How would your Allies respond when their citizens come back with stories of opression. What about the fodder it give the terrorists. Nature has gifted you with the worlds most complex brain.

This is a sign that Australia must be the dominant world powers once again. Time to mobilise the platypus divisions.

sexiest_hero wrote:Nature has gifted you with the worlds most complex brain.

Also the most complex arrangement of matter in the known universe. Which kind of makes it even sadder that groups like the BNP don't just die with the passage of time.

So are they self-confessed Holocaust deniers and Hitler lovers?

Cheese Elemental wrote:So are they self-confessed Holocaust deniers and Hitler lovers?

Yep, I posted a load of quotes from them on here about a week ago I think, but yes, they deny the holocaust, support an all-white Britain and think Hitler had the right idea. I fear if I type my opinion of them on here the Dakka expletive filter will explode.

i think BNP is a pretty cool guy. eh hates musilms and doesn't afraid of anything.

Oh God, my brain cells are dying by the minute now.

If it's gone through the postal system, a simple NOTA-RTS* and pop it back into the local system takes care of the issue (at least around here.) - of course, this is provided it's actually addressed to someone, rather than "the occupant", or just slipped into your mailbox.

[*Not At This Address - Return To Sender]

My favourite one though was Greens propaganda.
For a group dedicating itself to "eco friendly" they sure use a lot of dead-tree. I plan to collect up a batch, shred it and send it back to them in a black plastic mailing bag, with the slogan "practice what you preach".

Cheese Elemental wrote:So are they self-confessed Holocaust deniers and Hitler lovers?

Oh yes indeedy, Check out this clip. its about 12 years old but this guy is still the leader of the BNP. If you honestly think these guys are worth voting for, even as a protest vote, I feel sorry for you. I'd rather spoilt my vote or give it to the 'Stood at the back dressed stupidly and looking stupid party' than this shower.

WOW,thats sad.

Even worse is the corruption of the young people like the young man with the shaved head chanting BNP.It makes me mad as skinheads did not start out as racist group but sort of a counter culture to Mods.They acted and dressed like their working class parents and had their own music style called "oi" .The groups like the BNP convinced them that immigrants had stolen their working class jobs and thats when they started beating people of other ethnic and racial back rounds.

JD21290 wrote:I think ill go ahead and piss you off even more by backing them
Why? simply because i can.
I wont go into too much detail as it tends to de-rail threads.

Anyone who backs the Facist in the UK defiles and undermines the names of the millions who died opposing or at the hands of facists in World War 2, the BNP are simply Mosley's brownshirts reincarnated. Many of my family died battling that ideology of hate, my grandfather lost 6 brothers fighting the Nazi.

I was, back in the day, a member of the ANL and whilst that pales besides what has gone before to combat the breeders of hatred in this nation, I was proud to be part of several very unpeaceful protests against the BNP and Combat 18 during their marches through London.

You are worth more than this, you are not a facist.

@ the OP: There is a club i work at in Manchester where we have laminated a couple of the BNP flyers, then glued them to the bottom of the club toilets. This gives people an excellent opportunity to express their sentiments towards said party on a regular basis.

I heard a discussion on the radio between a priest and a high up BNP rep, if I remember rightly it was just after a policeman was sacked for being a BNP member. (this isn't word for word, just the general gist of the conversation)

BNP; He shouldn't have been sacked, anyone from any class could be in the BNP. Even as a priest, you could be in the BNP.
Priest; No, I'm black.
BNP; Oh. (falters)

Says it all really.

and for the record.... The General Synod of the Church of England has voted overwhelmingly to back a motion calling for a prohibition on clergy and senior staff being members of the far-right British National Party.

Is this the same group of Anglican hacks that said Britain should get used to Sharia law?

No, not least as he didn't quite say that.

If you're interested you can read his speech here.... might want an exprresso or two if you do though.

in summary

Williams said he was not endorsing the harsh punishments meted out in countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, where murderers and drug traffickers are publicly beheaded or hanged.

"Nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that has sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states, the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women," he said.

Any use of sharia in Britain should not take precedence over "the rights that are guaranteed to ... citizens in general".Muslims should have a choice in legal disputes over marriage and financial matters, Williams said.

"There are ways of looking at marital dispute, for example, which provide an alternative to the divorce courts as we understand them. In some cultural and religious settings they would seem more appropriate."

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reds8n wrote: No, not least as he didn't quite say that.

..well, upon reflection he sort of did but it's been taken out of context.

Williams is a strange old bird though, very polite and amiable in person.