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broxus wrote:

Yak, I agree with your assesment but disagree that it looks like the weapon under the LS looks like it can swivel. It looks like an obvious hull mounted weapon to me.

Based on the FAQ I posted, the only thing that prevents a weapon from firing in a certain direction is if there is some portion of the vehicle that blocks the weapon's LOS in that direction.

The examples given in the FAQ re-iterate this point.

If the Shiruken Catapult on the bottom of a Falcon can pivot and fire 180 degrees to the front (because behind that is blocked by the hull) there is no logical reason why the underslung weapon on a Land Speeder cannot fire 360 degrees, as there is no portion of that arc that is blocked by any part of the vehicle.

The Dragon wrote:Seriously though, can't a guy get a picture here.

To answer your question, it looks as if its just bolted/welded directly on the Speeder, kinda like the IG's Hunter Killer missles on the rail, or like the chaingun on a fighter.

brother_zach wrote:

The Dragon wrote:Seriously though, can't a guy get a picture here.

To answer your question, it looks as if its just bolted/welded directly on the Speeder, kinda like the IG's Hunter Killer missles on the rail, or like the chaingun on a fighter.

How is that different from the Shuriken Cataplut on an Eldar Falcon?

yakface wrote:

brother_zach wrote:

The Dragon wrote:Seriously though, can't a guy get a picture here.

To answer your question, it looks as if its just bolted/welded directly on the Speeder, kinda like the IG's Hunter Killer missles on the rail, or like the chaingun on a fighter.

How is that different from the Shuriken Cataplut on an Eldar Falcon?

With how my brother assembled his falcon, his move. On the older tornadoe models, you had to glue it right on the hull in these two hulls (like it was bolted on, or welded). This could have changed with the new model. I don't intend on getting one because it won't match the rest of my squadron.

brother_zach wrote:

yakface wrote:

brother_zach wrote:

The Dragon wrote:Seriously though, can't a guy get a picture here.

To answer your question, it looks as if its just bolted/welded directly on the Speeder, kinda like the IG's Hunter Killer missles on the rail, or like the chaingun on a fighter.

How is that different from the Shuriken Cataplut on an Eldar Falcon?

With how my brother assembled his falcon, his move. On the older tornadoe models, you had to glue it right on the hull in these two hulls (like it was bolted on, or welded). This could have changed with the new model. I don't intend on getting one because it won't match the rest of my squadron.

It does not matter whether you assemble it so that the weapon can more or not. The FAQ clearly states that if it looks like the weapon could pivot then it can. There is absolutely no distinction between the way the Shuriken Catapults on a Eldar Falcon are mounted and the underslung weapon on a Land Speeder (besides the fact that the speeder doesn't have a big hull that blocks its back 180 arc).

I fully understand that the FAQ ruling leaves the door open for personal interpretation. But I'm challenging you the fact that if we're going to accept that the Shuriken Cats on an Eldar can pivot to any direction then they could theoretically see then any restriction you're looking to place on the Land Speeder is an unfair distinction because the two situations appear to be entirely similar.

Yak, I'm not saying it doesen't look like it could move just because it is glued directly on the speeders hull. I'm saying someone could just as easily say it looks as if its mounted simmilar to a hunter killer missle on an IG tank.

On the old land speeder, it was the assult cannon with an ammo box and a flate plate. There was nothing that I noticed on the bit to make it look like it was modeled to move 180 or 360 degrees. Especially on the heavy flamer, which was the case for the OP.

I would have no problem giving it a hull mounted arc, because thats what it looks like to me.

brother_zach wrote:Yak, I'm not saying it doesen't look like it could move just because it is glued directly on the speeders hull. I'm saying someone could just as easily say it looks as if its mounted simmilar to a hunter killer missle on an IG tank.

On the old land speeder, it was the assult cannon with an ammo box and a flate plate. There was nothing that I noticed on the bit to make it look like it was modeled to move 180 or 360 degrees. Especially on the heavy flamer, which was the case for the OP.

I would have no problem giving it a hull mounted arc, because thats what it looks like to me.

And it doesn't matter if the gun looks like it can pivot or not. As I've stated many times already, the Shuriken Catapult on a Eldar Falcon looks like it supposed to pivot just as much as the underslung weapon on a Land Speeder.

Being underneath the model doesn't imply "looks like it can pivot". The shuriken catapult/cannon attaches to a disk mounting that then clips into a hole that allows it to swivel. This one is obvious.


The speeder is less obvious. If it's got what looks like a mechanism that can rotate [like a disc mount, like the falcon/serpent] then it can. But if it's fixed to a single mounting that's bolted to the landspeeder, it can't swivel.

Technically here, couldn't you just simply model a disc-like interface between the hull and weapon for the sake of assuring this. As I recall, (insert me putting my foot into my mouth, most likely), if it doesn't give you instruction for how it is supposed to be mounted, you can place it as you like.

The new models look like they could piviot more than the old Tornadoes.

Even if the weapon can piviot 180 degrees. it wouldn't be able to do this if it was imobilised, simply because the weapon is going to be the fist thing to hit the ground, and is going to be stuck in rubble/mud/dirt/blood.

I believe the old codex stated it was hull mounted. I would assume it hasnt changed that status.

Yak,

According you your argument, my Vendetta with its Twinlinked Lascannons under the wings can fire 360 degree's also. I would think you would have to admit that would be crazy to allow.

Do the Vendettas Lascannons look like they can rotate 360 degrees?

Gwar! wrote:Do the Vendettas Lascannons look like they can rotate 360 degrees?

About as much as assault cannon on the bottom of a LS looks like it can rotate 360 degrees.

Anyways... yeah- one more time-- somebody hook a picture into this.

yakface wrote:How is that different from the Shuriken Cataplut on an Eldar Falcon?

The shuriken catapult is at least on a round mounting piece that could conceivably be intended as a pivot mount.


To be honest, I think you've misconstrued the FAQ answer. By the weapon looking like it can pivot, I would assume that they mean that the weapon is on some sort of mount that looks like it can move, not just that there is nothing blocking it if it could pivot.

The Dragon wrote:Anyways... yeah- one more time-- somebody hook a picture into this.

http://www.guysthatgame.co.uk/gtgshop/product_images/w/space_marine_land_speeder_b__89249.jpg