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I have no social problems with discussing and carrying on conversations with people and or explaining in depth how rules work even during a tournament.

It's why you play games w/ your friends...


I dont understand this thread

Hollismason wrote:I have no social problems with discussing and carrying on conversations with people and or explaining in depth how rules work even during a tournament.

It's why you play games w/ your friends...


I dont understand this thread

The point is, have you ever played the guy who tries to rattle you with incessant chatter about things he either should know or can look up himself, because he wants to throw you off your game. It is not about being social with a game.

I like to chat during a game...where ya from, how long you been playing, etc. I also let an opponent have a do-over if I feel I distracted him because of that.....That is, if he forgot to move a unit or shoot a unit, I'll let him do so.

Ozymandias wrote:

Timmah wrote:I can't believe no one has said this yet.

I'd punch him in the face!

2 things.

1) It has been said before.

2) No you wouldn't. And if you did, you'd be a bigger tool than the guy asking the questions.

agreed Ozy...
seems theres a lot of gamer nerds that are full of internet testosterone...

"YA IF THAT GUY EVEN PICKED UP MAI MOD3LZ WITHOUT ASK1NG ID DECK HIM ONE"
k.

to be honest, the only thing you can do is ask them politely to ask during thier turn, or, if thier not involved in your game, politely ask them to off if they are an experienced player. if thier new, then slow the gamedownt to explain to them what they want/need to know, especially if they are genuinely interested. if that fails, you can toss them the codex/ rulebook and tell them to look it up.
But you should never need to resort to violence. that will only get you banned.

I would imagine some folks are trying, in their own way, to make conversation. Also younger peoples is often asking questions and I don't mind that much, it's often enthusiasm for the hobby. Older players maybe asking since they are unfamiliar with your army perhaps? Ask a few questions back perhaps?

If, on the other hand, you are referring to a doubting Thomas, someone that questions everything you do with your army and seems to operate from the angle that you need to qualify everything by citing the rulebook or codex and treating you from the start as though from a position of mistrust... then you shouldn't play against the spanker again.

Heh I know I always ask what they are shooting my army with if I'm unfamiliar with the army..

I dont see tau or Necron very much so I ask before each shooting attempt what they are hitting me with AP wise so I can make the decision to go for Martyrdom or not with my sisters (the invuln faith)

I know it can be annoying but my faith specifically states I have to do it before they roll to hit, I always ask guys to give me a heads up if they are hitting me with something ap3 or lower but its not their job to remember.

After a turn or two I usually know which units to worry about.

KeithGatchalian wrote:
Have you ever played against someone who tries to rattle you while you are playing by constantly asking you questions about what your army can do, what that unit has, what abilities does this character have, whats the rule on moving over drop pod petals etc?

He has a copy of the rules,your army list, and he has played a billion games...yet always seems to ask these questions while you are playing ( moving, shooting, assaulting...).

The theory is he's rattling you, making you forget to do things, or miss out on a small detail.

Aside from ignoring him, and thus being "rude" and earning a bad sportsmanship score....what else can you do? Just concentrate harder, answer his questions, ask him to wait till you are done?

It's a frickin game, you don't need to pull out the psyops!

Depends really, I ask a lot of questions myself but only about armies I haven't played before. Saves me going in blind and so I know what the units capabilities are and so I tackle them in the right way.

If its constant questions, about a army that they (the person in question) plays regularly I would politely say you've asked this before, or we've been over this before. Has the guy got a copy of your codex, or when you say rules do you mean the rule book. If he just reads your codex when playing the game then I can understand as your trying to take information, and play the game.

I don't see the problem asking questions if its a unfamiliar army, or they don't play them, they might not know special rules etc and profiles. I doubt people would go to that effort to psych you out.

(1) When he asks you a question, finish the action you are making then put everything down, give him your full attention when answering even if you spend a few minutes going through rulebooks to answer it. Basically you are showing him that you will not continue the game while he asks questions and you are making the game longer for him while keeping yourself calm.

(2) Failing that, do the exact same to him, even if you know the answer. Also try asking questions that force him to look through books to answer it. If you've already done (1) and he moans that he doesn't want to do it, you can complain that you did it for him when he asked. He'll soon get the picture without you needing to be an ass about it because as far as anyone else is concerned you are being mature and amicable about it

In a casual gaming environment, I would not mind the questions as it is like a pop quiz to keep me on my feet if I remember everything correctly. In a tournament, that is not acceptable. He may ask to see your codex but to bother you during your turn is not acceptable.

The absolute best, best, best thing to do, if your opponent is deliberately trying to get you off your game by asking questions with obvious answers, is to ask your own questions with obvious answers, and to do it with a sarcastic smile

He asks "can your x assault after you run?"

You ask, "Can your mom clean up after I give her a good time?"

Sarcastic humor diffuses most things I've heard.

I seldom have an actual opponent asking questions. Instead, there's this one kid who floats around my game (even if he's supposed to be playing in another game) and asks my opponent and I sundry things from our relevant codex. The answer is usually "you're holding my codex, look it up."

It's really obnoxious when someone can't just read the codex they're holding.

I had this last week during a 500-point speed tournament.

First, I started playing in April. I am pretty new, but I was in second place. This guy was in first and he had plenty of armies and games. Another thing is that we had 5 minutes to do our moves. This actually screwed me earlier when playing Nids because I did some assaults on some Genestealers and the other player was able to resolve attacks but the freaking whistle blew before I could roll my attacks, and I had a lot. I still won the game though, but barely.

Anyway, let me tell you about THIS guy.
First, he is one of those guys that uses every rule to his advantage, no matter how stupid. I have seen him surround an immobilized Land Raider with a squad that couldn’t kill it just so the Landraider couldn’t disembark its troops. Pure cheese. So we were playing, and he already has his guys separated EXACTLY two inches apart so I can’t drop templates on him. So I was having problems with those guys.

But anyway. It was his turn. He had no assaults, and everything had fired. I lost a couple of guys and all I had to do was role leadership. Cool, but in getting my dice I knocked over a devastator that was in some insecure terrain. I then moved him back, but knocked over another guy. This took not even five seconds, but he went ballistic. Called the judge over, demanded that he watch me because I was stalling for time. But anyway, to the point.

Every time I used my special abilities he questioned it. I used my Know no Fear to fall back, he questioned it on my turn! Signum? Questioned. On my turn. My Razorback? “Who does that belong to?” “Did you write it down like that?” I actually forgot to fire my razorback into some of the Chaos troops because of this crap. Usually he would call the judge over, no matter what my answer was to make sure. He should know these things by now!

Guess what? He won. By, like a lot. I don’t know if I will want to ever play him again.

@headrattle: I saw this on Dakka for weeks, looked it up in my codex at least two times and still I seem not able to find it.

What is this signum you talk about? Is that some DA/BA/BT wargear or is it available in the vanilla codex? And, if it is in there, where the hell is it? I simply can't find it.

Is it not the devastator sergeant's power?

I read my C:SM pages about the devastators several times and did not find anything about a signum..I'll look into the FAQ/Errata for that codex now...

...nah, even the Errata does not say anything about a signum. I'm really confused now.

Witzkatz wrote:I read my C:SM pages about the devastators several times and did not find anything about a signum..I'll look into the FAQ/Errata for that codex now...

...nah, even the Errata does not say anything about a signum. I'm really confused now.

its on pg 100 of the marine codex.

As for the origonal topic. I usually only play at my FLGS veterans night so I usually tell the people who ask those questions why there playing on the vets night and not the beginners or novice nights. Or if there in a tourny i toss em my codex and mini rulebook and tell em to look it up while I finish my turn. as well I make my list with all the special rules wargear and statlines of all my units and vehicles and toss them that as well.

I've found that excessive "rules asking", like excessive "my model touching" pretty much gets the same response from me.

Rolling Death Cradle...that'll learn 'em.

Witzkatz wrote:@headrattle: I saw this on Dakka for weeks, looked it up in my codex at least two times and still I seem not able to find it.

What is this signum you talk about? Is that some DA/BA/BT wargear or is it available in the vanilla codex? And, if it is in there, where the hell is it? I simply can't find it.

Signum is a piece of wargear the dev sgt has (listed under wargear in the army entry). It allows one model per turn to have BS5 in lieu of the sgt's attacks.

I have seen him surround an immobilized Land Raider with a squad that couldn’t kill it just so the Landraider couldn’t disembark its troops. Pure cheese. So we were playing, and he already has his guys separated EXACTLY two inches apart so I can’t drop templates on him. So I was having problems with those guys.

Knowing the rules, and playing them well to your tactical advantage is never "pure cheese."

I've had a couple of experiences that pertain to the topic at hand.

There is one guy at my FLGS that constantly asks questions while you're playing him. Sometimes the same question on different turns. I don't think he is trying to rattle me (or whoever he is playing), I think he gets kind of nervous when playing the game. That's how it seems to me anyway. He's a good guy though and it does not hold up the game as I can answer while moving/measuring, so it doesn't bother me too much.

The other situation, is much worse. One of my friends, who I play most often, plays necrons and is constantly pulled away from our games to answer necron questions from other players playing other games. He doesn't seem to mind, but sometimes it gets out of hand waiting while he is "making the call" for someone else's game.

On the other hand, if you want to know what someone's stuff does, just try to stroke their ego. We are nerds and we are proud. "That looks cool, what does it do?" "Oh, that's awesome! Are these guys similar?" In a casual environment, honey will definitely catch you more flies. In tourneys, just spam back. It's all you can do.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:On the other hand, if you want to know what someone's stuff does, just try to stroke their ego. We are nerds and we are proud. "That looks cool, what does it do?" "Oh, that's awesome! Are these guys similar?" In a casual environment, honey will definitely catch you more flies. In tourneys, just spam back. It's all you can do.

I like this.
"Cool your guys just charged me...How many attacks to they do?...Wait, I have initiative and I rape your charging squad...Do they bend over?"

Take a hearing aid with you.
Ignore him for aslong as possible, then point to the aid

FITZZ wrote: I'm planning on compiling ALL of GWARs threads from YMDC into one handy tome,when confronted by the endless question guy I will simply hand him a copy...problem solved.

Except that won't answer his next question: "Who the feth is GWAR and why should I give a rat's ass?"

Hmm, after some contemplation, i agree with Mr fox here

I never really had this happen to me, but I can imagine how annoying it must be.

willydstyle wrote:

I have seen him surround an immobilized Land Raider with a squad that couldn’t kill it just so the Landraider couldn’t disembark its troops. Pure cheese. So we were playing, and he already has his guys separated EXACTLY two inches apart so I can’t drop templates on him. So I was having problems with those guys.

Knowing the rules, and playing them well to your tactical advantage is never "pure cheese."

I disagree. Going by the letter of the rules and ignoring the intent, is cheese. It isn't cheating. It is cheese. If someone is using rules loopholes to sap away the fun in playing him, that is cheese where I come from. Can I do anything about it? No. Not really. Except not play him anymore. You have to admit that there are players out there that just sap the fun out of a game. Those who ask the questions that they know the answer to like it is a pop quiz just to distract you? That is annoying and cheesy. These are people that just take the fun out of playing. If I get beat by good tactics and luck, fine. I will lose, but I will enjoy it. And I have lost many a game and had a blast playing. But if he is pulling loopholes out of his a$$ and using vague rules to con a win, that isn't fun.

If there wasn't a time when someone warped a rule to the point where you said "Oh Come on!" Then you might be the guy I am talking about.

wyomingfox wrote:

FITZZ wrote: I'm planning on compiling ALL of GWARs threads from YMDC into one handy tome,when confronted by the endless question guy I will simply hand him a copy...problem solved.

Except that won't answer his next question: "Who the feth is GWAR and why should I give a rat's ass?"

I expect that the first half of the book will be all about Gwar!, his importance, and exactly WHY you should give a Rats Ass.

As bad as the question quy is, he's not nearly as bad as the guy who stops partway through his turn to look up some minor thing. He takes ages, can't find it, and basically makes a big issue out of nothing. He's very frustrating...

*raise hand*
...guilty.