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How about this: a GIRL from Fenris proves she's got what it takes to become a Space Wolf and then saves the Chapter Master in the final battle. Starring Miley Cyrus, Zac Efron and Wil Smith. With the voice of Mike Myers as "Snotball the Squig". PG-13.
Khornholio wrote:How about this: a GIRL from Fenris proves she's got what it takes to become a Space Wolf and then saves the Chapter Master in the final battle. Starring Miley Cyrus, Zac Efron and Wil Smith. With the voice of Mike Myers as "Snotball the Squig". PG-13.
And so the Inquisition decreed that the name of Khornholio was to be stricken from the records. And his memory purged from existence for his heresy, which suggested the use of the foul servants of Chaos (not Will Smith though). First lets eliminate you There we are, now to burn you...
DR:80+S(GT)G++M++B-I++Pwmhd05#+D+++A+++/sWD-R++T(Ot)DM+ How is it they live in such harmony - the billions of stars - when most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
- St. Thomas Aquinas
Warhammer 40K:
Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
Biel Tan Strikeforce - 11,000 pts
"The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer shields or sparkle lasers."
-Illeix
A good Rogue Trader story where the main character ends up dealing with many of the different aspects of 40K might make money. It might also leave some people wanting to see more in the same universe.
“It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood” -- Karl Popper
It is always like wheres Waldo ... but he talks a lot more than Waldo. Okay... he is usually very easy to spot.
AGREED
If there's a 40k movie I don't want To much Bolters a blazin' I want 300 in power armour!!!
95% of teens would go into a panic attack if the jonas brothers were about to jump off the empire state building copy and paste this if you are the 5% who would pull up a lawn chair grab some popcorn and yell JUMP BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mekboy wrote:Tzeentch: Full house! Yay!
Deciver: Straight Flush! Yay!
Eldrad: Four of a kind! Awww!
Creed: Warhound titan. Die, xenos scum!
There's an odd assumption going on in this thread that a 40K movie has to be a summer blockbuster. This is very odd because the only other comments people are making are complaining about the changes that would have to be made to turn the property into a summer blockbuster.
First up, 40K as a big budget summer movie won't work. Those movies need to able to reach all market segments, and 40k is based entirely in the juvenile male aesthetic, and has basically no appeal outside of those of us who think ludicrously big guns and ultra-violence are awesome. The second big problem is marketing. Big budget blockbusters, when they work, make pretty solid bank but not enough to justify the risk of the investment. It is profits reaped in from peripheral crap like lunchboxes and t-shirts that justify the whole exercise, and GW already has a solid lock on that stuff. In fact, you could probably sum up GW's business as selling peripheral crap based off their IP.
The answer is pretty straight forward - you don't create the film as a summer blockbuster. You don't worry about big name stars and huge marketing campaigns. Instead you look at the quality visuals that you can achieve with medium scale productions like 300 and District 9 and rely on strength of concept and market focus to put enough bums on seats. You can produce a lot of effects and action with a budget of $30 to $50 million, well within the realms that GW could exercise strong control, and where the film could be targetted at 15-30 male demographic and still be profitable.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
95% of teens would go into a panic attack if the jonas brothers were about to jump off the empire state building copy and paste this if you are the 5% who would pull up a lawn chair grab some popcorn and yell JUMP BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mekboy wrote:Tzeentch: Full house! Yay!
Deciver: Straight Flush! Yay!
Eldrad: Four of a kind! Awww!
Creed: Warhound titan. Die, xenos scum!
Agreed to. Kinda why I feel an Eisenhorn / Rogue Trader approach would work best (as much as I'd love to see marines on the screen) to get the ball rolling. Lost cost compared to what could be, allows the film audiences to build, thus hopefully feeding the interest for a Marines themed movie to be made. The last thing you want is a crash and burn situation. We'd never have to the chance to see in on the big screen ever again.
Live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about his religion. Respect others in their views and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life. Beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and of service to your people. When your time comes to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home.
Lt. Rorke - Act of Valor
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
It isn't exactly "all the hate", it's "Khornholio's hate"
Personally, I find Will Smith one dimensional and a crummy actor. Generally, he plays the same character in most of his movies: himself. Most of his films should just be called Will Smith Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, etc. There are a few exceptions, of course, but even Stallone was good in Copland.
I think he's a good actor. I'd agree that he has a tendancy to end up one-dimensional, except for his roles in I Robot and I am Legend, which I thought were both pretty good and different from his usual characters.
I don't know that I'd want him in the movie, though. Any big name actor would end up making the movie 1. high budget, and thus probably less risky and 2. run the risk of having the audience too distracted by the actor to pay attention to the setting/plot.
If I was going to do a movie, I think I'd try and put three big things in it: The Imperium (including the IG, Inquisition, and Space Marines), the Orks (as they're one of the most easily distinguished piece of GW IP, and they make the setting distinct from most other Sci Fi), and Chaos (another one of the things that makes the setting unique, and makes bringing the Inquisition into it easier).
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
WARHAMMER 40K: HORUS HERESY starring Tom Cruise as the Emprah and Jim Carey as Horus.
I'm not suggesting the two above be allowed anywhere near the script as I agree that any really big name actor would make any 40K film's chance of being lousy very, very great. 300 was great because nobody really knew who Gerard Butler was. I'll back down on the Will Smith point. He can play corpse #7307.
The Imperium is a must as are the Orks and Chaos. It would be really lame if the first film had everything in it. It'd be too confusing.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Why all the hate for Will Smith?
People who only watch big budget action movies only see certain stars in their big budget action roles. Then they make the assumption that that is the only role that character plays. So if you only watch Bad Boys, Independance Day and stuff like that you might end up thinking that all Will Smith does is play the same character.
But if you've seen films like Six Degrees of Seperation, The Pursuit of Happyness and Seven Pounds, you'd know the guy really can act if he takes a role that needs it. In fact he's even brought acting chops to big budget roles, in I Am Legend. For all the problems with the oddly placed Christian theme and pat ending, was ultimately about one guy, by himself at the end of the world. Will Smith was captivating in the role.
That said, a Warhammer movie starring Will Smith would mean the film was more likely to follow the Bad Boys model than it was to follow the smaller budget, tighter focused movie I was talking about above. It would almost certainly suck, but not because of Will Smith, but because of the sort of Warhammer project it would have to be to have a big name star in it.
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Khornholio wrote:I'm not suggesting the two above be allowed anywhere near the script as I agree that any really big name actor would make any 40K film's chance of being lousy very, very great. 300 was great because nobody really knew who Gerard Butler was. I'll back down on the Will Smith point. He can play corpse #7307.
300 was rubbish. The concept was great, and during the first conflict where they actually formed a shield wall it looked like it was going to be an awesome movie. Then we had an hour of ballet pretending to be fighting. But that's pretty off topic, and I will concede it looked pretty.
However, 300 wasn't successful because they did or didn't know who Gerard Butler was. It was successful because it had a $60 million budget, which meant it didn't have to get every demographic into the cinema to make it's money back. Instead it focussed on being a hack and slash movie that would appeal to young teens .
Another film following the same model would be Sin City, the whole cast there was famous. The film succeeded, again, because the lower budget allowed it to focus on a specific market segment and deliver what that segment wanted.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
So long as Megan Fox can be the head of the Ecclisiarchy. Megan in form fitting power armor....I'd stop worshipping Chaos if it meant getting to pray with her 3 times a day.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
300 was insanely popular in Canada. Was it rubbish? I'm going to have to disagree with you on that point. Story wise, it wasn't the greatest. The fighting, or the choreographic style of it, wasn't realistic, but I know I didn't expect it to be. It wasn't the greatest film of all time by any long shot, but rubbish? Run Fatboy Run was rubbish. Star Wars Episode I or II were rubbish. Turkish Star Wars was rubbish I don't think a big name star would've made 300 any better. For a hack n' slash Historical Comic book adaptation it wasn't bad. But 300 starring Brad Pitt would've been worse. Wait, that movie's called Troy.
Sin City was really good. I agree with the fact that to focus on a specific market segment and deliver what that segment wants will make any 40K movie a success. I just cringe at the idea of a star studded flop with stars I don't like. Selfish? Yeah, I'm guilty.
First up, 40K as a big budget summer movie won't work. Those movies need to able to reach all market segments, and 40k is based entirely in the juvenile male aesthetic, and has basically no appeal outside of those of us who think ludicrously big guns and ultra-violence are awesome.
QFT.
A 40K movie will not work because quite frankly the background is not half as wonderful as many GW fans think it is. The background lacks, depth, characterisation, and the philosophical questions that make sci-fi work. It’s cliché ridden and lifted from the works of others. It’s not even got any form of satirical social commentary that Starship Troopers had going for it. It’s got no possible sympathetic protagonists, the main characters in the 40K universe defined almost exclusively by their body counts. The background is only good for guilty pleasure war porn that appeals primarily to teenage boys or grown men who really ought to know better. It’s rather hard to make a war movie that appeals to anyone else when the main message is how freaking awesome war is and anyone different to ourselves needs to be exterminated without mercy.
Imagine the last battle scene in Transformers 2, going on for 2 hours. That’s what a 40K film will be like.
"And if we've learnt anything over the past 1000 mile retreat it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation!"
As long as we have lost the dream of ever really having a WH40k movie, I would want the goriest, scariest, most action packed mess of a film ever made.
Awesome... so freaking awesome.
GrimDark does not even begin to express how awesome a WH40k movie could be. I picture something with the pace of Pitch Black, but with a lot more fighting in between. I was always a big fan of the Starcraft clip scenes, and I think something along those lines would be cool. Makes me wonder how much a movie like this would cost to make...
Orkeosaurus wrote:
If I was going to do a movie, I think I'd try and put three big things in it: The Imperium (including the IG, Inquisition, and Space Marines), the Orks (as they're one of the most easily distinguished piece of GW IP, and they make the setting distinct from most other Sci Fi), and Chaos (another one of the things that makes the setting unique, and makes bringing the Inquisition into it easier).
QFT. Orks would be great, they could sometimes add a bit of humour in all this grimdark. However, would they be suited as the main-enemy? (assuming men are the protagonists) Personally, I think Orks are maybe still too sympathic in a kind of way. I think Dan Abnett´s Traitor General is perfect. It´s a book I thought of like a movie when I read it. It features a kill-team of tough and very different soldiers, some of them nearly mental, who are deployed all allone on a chaos-world ( many horror-elements there in the book ) to hunt down a traitor. Meanwhile, Dan Abnett describes how a relationship between the traitor and an alien-guard he has develops. There´s an interesting hide-and-seek between the chaos-forces and the killteam; sometimes it´s just like a war-novel, not like Science-Fiction; but there are very groteque and very cool chaos-thing in it, too. ( A small, stunty, burocrat guarded by a minotaur servant). There appears an old human tribes, and it features Chaos Space Marines in some of the goriest scenes I have ever read.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'll disagree with you there, a full set of 3 movies 3 hours long of CGI to this standard would own.
And would cost more than any other films ever made.
dogma wrote:Is there any Chaos God who goes un-worshiped in Brazil?
Probably Nurgle, Africa has the lock on that.
metallifan wrote:
The Dark Eldar are, by fluff, sex-addicted, space-cocaine snorting, cross-dressing, slave-taking, soul stealing space pirates. They should fit the bill. No one is forcing you to buy minis with man-thongs.
Sharpasaspoon wrote:Rome, Greece and GW.... The Greeks invented Sex, the Romans thought about having it with women, then GW decided to screw us.
I use Zap Brannigan's art of war and try to jam enough wreckage in their main cannon so it won't work.
Totally disagree that a 40K movie has no chance of working. Lord of the Rings did really well, and Peter Jackson took an impossible job and made a fantastic adaption. A similar 40K universe has partially been done with Star Wars. I see a 40k movie as basically a dark star wars. Revenge of the Sith was about as dark as you can get with Star Wars and I thouroughly enjoyed ROTS. I even cried a bit.
I have always thought an eisenhorn movie would be a great way to start off a 40K franchise. You could have a 10 minute preamble much like what they did in The Fellowship of the Ring, where they explain the grim dark universe of 40k with battle scenes of the imperium vs the various enemy races and chaos.
It could be grand(Like LOTR), but it also could be a complete disaster(Like the D&D movie). I really would like to see a movie, even if it's just animated.
GG
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First up, 40K as a big budget summer movie won't work. Those movies need to able to reach all market segments, and 40k is based entirely in the juvenile male aesthetic, and has basically no appeal outside of those of us who think ludicrously big guns and ultra-violence are awesome.
QFT.
A 40K movie will not work because quite frankly the background is not half as wonderful as many GW fans think it is. The background lacks, depth, characterisation, and the philosophical questions that make sci-fi work. It’s cliché ridden and lifted from the works of others. It’s not even got any form of satirical social commentary that Starship Troopers had going for it. It’s got no possible sympathetic protagonists, the main characters in the 40K universe defined almost exclusively by their body counts. The background is only good for guilty pleasure war porn that appeals primarily to teenage boys or grown men who really ought to know better. It’s rather hard to make a war movie that appeals to anyone else when the main message is how freaking awesome war is and anyone different to ourselves needs to be exterminated without mercy.
Imagine the last battle scene in Transformers 2, going on for 2 hours. That’s what a 40K film will be like.
I wasn't saying a 40k movie couldn't work, just that a big budget summer blockbuster 40K couldn't work.
I don't think you need sympathetic heroes to make a decent movie. Plenty of films have been full of anti-heroes and reluctant heroes. Other films have placed villains front and centre and said 'these guys are horrible but they are absolutely epic'.
I also think that in a decently made two hour film style can make up for a lack of depth.
You need philosophical questions to make sci-fi work, but fortunately this isn't sci-fi, but fantasy that happens to be set in space.
And yeah, big guns and chain swords basically appeal to teenage boys and adults who should know better. But there a lot of people out there in those categories.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
If they were to do something small, they should market it to their England demographic.
Direct as all hell, but that could hurt their reputation abroad a bit. I also see no reason (if they ran headfirst into investors... like a brick wall and stuff) that GW could not manage a fantastic summer film, which in all honesty would not have to do all that much to compete with the rest of that genre.
Questions are nice and all, but I think that any movie set in the future has massive potential to create a superbly ambient and "inviting" environment. To be sure, the shoot em' up style it would inevitably take leaves little room for real character development, some of the scenes throughout other action-packed sci-fi flicks have managed to work around that problem with inventive scripts and directing.
If GW would let me, I would consider doing something, but that is neither here nor there in terms of the reality of this whole discussion.
40K (Like LOTR was) is one of those films that Hollywood have deemed impossible to make.
A live action or CGI version would be so expensive that no one or even two studios would be willing to take on.
Thats what I was told by a "man in the business" and he is a pretty clued up exec for 20th Century Fox.
There are two problems with making a live action 40K film.
1 - The afforementioned cost of the production. Hollywood is also in a state of financial problems.
2 - GW has a policy where they will not let another company take control of mechandising rights. Basically they do not want pencil cases or action figures. There is also a danger that 40K will become a fad, which GW want to prevent at all costs. They are also very protective of their licenses.
Well I have a plan...
As some of you know, I have been writing a Horus Heresy film script. This is not a joke. I am a scriptwriter and I've been writing this script for the last 12 or so years (I curse all the new material from the novels LOL).
When I have perfected the script and it has comeback from the proof readers I will take it in person to GWs Lenton HQ and present it to them.
You guys might think I'm a bit of a yahoo, but I assure you that I have kept to the story and that there is nothing in the script that shouldn't be (no love stories).
dogma wrote:Is there any Chaos God who goes un-worshiped in Brazil?
Probably Nurgle, Africa has the lock on that.
metallifan wrote:
The Dark Eldar are, by fluff, sex-addicted, space-cocaine snorting, cross-dressing, slave-taking, soul stealing space pirates. They should fit the bill. No one is forcing you to buy minis with man-thongs.
Sharpasaspoon wrote:Rome, Greece and GW.... The Greeks invented Sex, the Romans thought about having it with women, then GW decided to screw us.
I use Zap Brannigan's art of war and try to jam enough wreckage in their main cannon so it won't work.
Alpha Legion - 15,000 pts For the Emperor!
WAAAGH! Skullhooka - 14,000 pts
Biel Tan Strikeforce - 11,000 pts
... but he talks a lot more than Waldo. Okay... he is usually very easy to spot.
I think Dan Abnett´s Traitor General is perfect. It´s a book I thought of like a movie when I read it. It features a kill-team of tough and very different soldiers, some of them nearly mental, who are deployed all allone on a chaos-world ( many horror-elements there in the book ) to hunt down a traitor. Meanwhile, Dan Abnett describes how a relationship between the traitor and an alien-guard he has develops. There´s an interesting hide-and-seek between the chaos-forces and the killteam; sometimes it´s just like a war-novel, not like Science-Fiction; but there are very groteque and very cool chaos-thing in it, too. ( A small, stunty, burocrat guarded by a minotaur servant). There appears an old human tribes, and it features Chaos Space Marines in some of the goriest scenes I have ever read.
