Eldar Howling Banshees: just a little underpriced?

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**Kirasu**

More like the banshees are incredibly overpriced due to 5th edition changes that cripple all eldar CC units except the avatar and jetbike warlocks

Non-assault ramp transport.. check
transport with only access point in the rear and end its movement phase facing the enemy so the banshees can get out NEXT TURN? Check

Or

Transport that is 5" long which negates the banshees 6" movement if the transport faces away from the enemy.. check

Cannot clear kill zone anymore so they get mauled by anything due to T3 and Sv 4+.. check

No more consolidation so if they DO clear kill zone they die with T3 and a 4+ save.. check

I havent used really used any eldar CC unit except the above mentioned avatar and jetbike warlocks since 5th

Maybe if they were 10 pts id *consider* banshees since they still arent scoring

**kuro_khan**

tiekwando wrote:Um where you playing planetstrike, because they cant do that, which is the biggest weakness of the unit. Saying that i believe daemons would be amazing at planet strike as attackers...

This was back in 3rd or 4th. Before the most recent, crappy Chaos codex.

Pariahs need to be cheaper too...

I don't play Orks, and rarely ever see them, so I know nothing about them.

**Orkeosaurus**

kuro_khan wrote:There are 3 infantry-grade units I can think of with all-around power weapons:

Banshee: 16pts
Bloodletters: 16pts (someone said same price as banshees...)
Incubi: 25 pts

Looking at this.. I think Incubi should get a price decrease!!

I'm paying 9 points for -1 T, +1 I and a +3 save (no invulnerable though).

Aren't Incubi S5 too?

**kuro_khan**

Str 3 with a +1 Str weapon.

**Orkeosaurus**

Punisher isn't +2? I swore it was.

**I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly**

Incubi are WS5, S4 (S3+1), T3. Think they're initiative 5 too, I believe they can buy plasma grenades but don't come with them attached.

**kuro_khan**

If Incubi were str 5 in CC, then they'd definitely be worth 25 pts. I can't help but think that would be overkill though... Already it's a 1 Incubi per MEQ kill in CC on the charge.

I know!! Give incubi fleet, and I will love them forever!

**incarna**

Banshee’s have two major drawbacks.

They share a Force Organization Slot with the most efficient vehicle killing unit in the game – Fire Dragons. Mathematically, a 10 large squad of banshees can swing with 30 attacks, hit MEQ’s with 15, and wound with 5. For the same price, a 10 large squad of Fire Dragons can shoot with 10 fusion guns, hit with 6.66, and wound with 5.55 – but they can also stomp Landraiders into the ground without breaking a sweat.

Against MEQ opponents, Banshees can hit hard. But that same 10 large squad of banshee’s will fold like tissue paper under the weight of a comparably priced squad of Boyz or Gaunts

**JohnHwangDD**

Banshees are priced fine. They're not as good as Harlies.

**Exarch_Nektel**

incarna wrote:Banshee’s have two major drawbacks.

They share a Force Organization Slot with the most efficient vehicle killing unit in the game – Fire Dragons. Mathematically, a 10 large squad of banshees can swing with 30 attacks, hit MEQ’s with 15, and wound with 5. For the same price, a 10 large squad of Fire Dragons can shoot with 10 fusion guns, hit with 6.66, and wound with 5.55 – but they can also stomp Landraiders into the ground without breaking a sweat.

Against MEQ opponents, Banshees can hit hard. But that same 10 large squad of banshee’s will fold like tissue paper under the weight of a comparably priced squad of Boyz or Gaunts

I second that.

Speaking of Fire Dragons, do you think that an army with 3 squads of say, 8 fire dragons (including Exarch) each would be a good basis for an army?

**kuro_khan**

I'd use it. Phenomenal shooting, and it's not like Fire Dragons are slouches in close combat. They ARE aspect warriors.

**tiekwando**

Good but take lots of scatter lasers in the rest of your army to deal with infantry. You dont want to be caught playing 100+ orks.

**Exarch_Nektel**

tiekwando wrote:Good but take lots of scatter lasers in the rest of your army to deal with infantry. You dont want to be caught playing 100+ orks.

Hah, yeah.

So my troops will be a GD swarm wil a bunch of scatter lasers.
And War Walkers will be HS.

thanks for the input.

**willydstyle**

Exarch_Nektel wrote:
tiekwando wrote:Good but take lots of scatter lasers in the rest of your army to deal with infantry. You dont want to be caught playing 100+ orks.

Hah, yeah.

So my troops will be a GD swarm wil a bunch of scatter lasers.
And War Walkers will be HS.

thanks for the input.

If you have that many fire dragons in a unit, then take a dragons breath flamer to give the unit some versatility.