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Sasori wrote:


Personally, I think it doesn't matter one way or the other to the Necrons, the Nids are just life force to be harvested. To the Nids however, they gain absolutely NOTHING from the Necrons, as they have no usable bio-mass.

I wouldn't really call Nids Evil per-say, they're just a base instinct.

i'm sure i remember reading some old fluff about how the nid's leech even the none organic materials they require from the planet as well leaving absolutly nothing but barren rock. after all everyone needs they're iron and when your're sporting a carapce exoskeleton that can withstand las-cannon shot's your're gonna need a hell of a lot of it. and don't the pariah's contain at least some organic components (given that they're derived from the imperial pariahs, with the same effects)

DerangdFlamingo wrote:

Sasori wrote:


Personally, I think it doesn't matter one way or the other to the Necrons, the Nids are just life force to be harvested. To the Nids however, they gain absolutely NOTHING from the Necrons, as they have no usable bio-mass.

I wouldn't really call Nids Evil per-say, they're just a base instinct.

i'm sure i remember reading some old fluff about how the nid's leech even the none organic materials they require from the planet as well leaving absolutly nothing but barren rock. after all everyone needs they're iron and when your're sporting a carapce exoskeleton that can withstand las-cannon shot's your're gonna need a hell of a lot of it. and don't the pariah's contain at least some organic components (given that they're derived from the imperial pariahs, with the same effects)

I was always under the impression that they just drained all the bio-mass from a planet, and interpreted "rock" to be anything non organic. The Tyranids also avoid tomb worlds, and I figured that was because they have nothing to gain from them.

could go either way i suppose, maybe their get their iron from their dinners? lol

that said i'm sure when food/souls/sentient beings start getting scarce the nids and necrons would start fighting over what was left, that'd be a fight worth seeing

Can we just transplant them all to another galaxy and watch them go at it from here, then?

@Sasori: There is only 'minimal' amounts of biomass to be gained. Which, when concerning the forces they'd have to expend it wipe out thier Necron foe, would be next to nothing.

Sustainability is, simply speaking, whether or not your food has the capability to reproduce at a pace that can keep up with your consumption of it. Humans developed a varied diet to be able to adapt to multiple different supplies form different sources. Sustainable means there is a continuing cycle.

Locusts are the closest thing in nature to the tyranids, but different. Locust swarms eventually burn themselves out and there is massive deaths that result in them consuming all of their food, however their food eventually returns and grows and the cycle begins again. We judge them dangerous because of the secondary reaction to us. They are not "evil" in our eyes, but they do pose a danger to us.

Tyranids leave nothing in it's path. The worlds they consume are lifeless. What kinda world do they leave behind? Can it replenish itself if all of the Bio mass is gone?

Think if it this way. In Lord of the Rings are Orcs evil? Do they represent a "type" of evil in the context of the story?

The thing I don't agree with is the idea that has prevailed in modern thinking that something is not evil because it has a different perspective then us humans.

"Evil" is ultimately a human concept. We set the rules for defining what is evil. So by that criteria, a force that would consume us to perpetuate an organism that only wishes the complete consumption of the Biomass of a whole galaxy. That is evil.

But then we'd have to discuss whether 'evil' truly is a man-made concept or whether it is a universal boundry.

*lets cat out of bag*

Having their resources stretched across so many stars has made the Imperium weak in the face of tyranid attacks.
Because so many troops are needed to stem the tide of tyranid bio-warriors, resisitance is not easily mustered.
The eldar are a race with a dwindling population so every loss is a grave one.

Most of the "evil" races are mostly war like and either have well defended borders, or places that they can seek sanctuary at.

Like what? I only see Dark Eldar (inaccesible Commoragh) and Chaos (Warp). Beyond that, I don't know any other super-baddie-awesome-fortresses.

Dark Eldar are so scarce and spread out, I don't imagine that Tyranids and Dark Eldar run into each other. What benefit can the DE have from such an exchange? They don't have anywhere near the resources required to confront a Hive Fleet and come out on top. Plus, how would they figure out where the Tyranids were? The Imperium pretty much has to watch for patterns of communications blackouts, the DE have no such system in place.

As for Necron versus Tyranids, I once again can't imagine them coming into contact with each other. Tyranids have no interest in dead tomb worlds, so...

Chaos versus Tyranids is I'd imagine mostly a combination of lack of proximity and scarcity of Chaos fleets combined with an inability to engage the Tyranids. The Tyranids never really get close to the Eye of Terror and its not like the galaxy is just full of marauding bands of CSM. In addition, how often do the Chaos forces have a large enough concentration of power to engage the Tyranids head on?

Don't the DE use tyranid gribblies as arena combatants? and the necrons will intervene if the nid's are getting in the way of a potential harvest

The nids just want to be understood

Lord of battles wrote:The nids just want to be understood

and invited over for a bbq and beers

Personally i think the tyranids are 40K's equivelant of the Andrex puppy. just imagine a bio titan running round with a roll of toilet roll from the golden throne

DE take smaller nids as creatures for the arena. Genestealers are particularly prized. How one finds some genestealers isn't explained though, I don't think 'we were razing a hiveworld and got lucky' is a viable explanation.

Maybe the Shadow has some interaction with webway portals? Not shutting them down but giving them a different feel or some sense that suggests there is something odd going on. Being colder or slightly different colour or smelling unusual.

I would actually expect the shadow across the warp to be a serious pain in the arse for the Chaos Gods, to be honest.

Depending on its actual strength, it should be either a very persistent headache or an intergalactic lobotomy.

The way I see it necrons are evil the C`tan see us as cattle.
They don`t want to kill us only enslave us and feed on us for the rest of time (a bit like we have done to cows) and in relation to the nids I have heard rumours that the Outsider, one of the C`tan for those that don`t know, is talking with the hive mind.

but it is only a rumour.

I think tyranids are a little evil

"Maybe the Shadow has some interaction with webway portals? Not shutting them down but giving them a different feel or some sense that suggests there is something odd going on. Being colder or slightly different colour or smelling unusual. "

*sniff sniff* who has bacon?

But anyway, I am of the opinion that the nids are evil because they came from another GALAXY to eat stuff. It's not like they're shopping for 10 trillion tons of foodstuffs and a pack of lho sticks. Right?

Good and Evil are never determined by an individual (person's/species') perspective of their own actions, or the perspectives of others.

It depends on their regard for those around them.

Eldar are good. They do not seek to destroy those around them.

Dark Eldar are evil. Not because of what they do, but because they have no regard for the peoples they destroy.

Tau are good. They fight out of necessity, but attempt peaceful negotiation first, proving that they would rather not do harm to others. Good doesn't have to mean non-violent, just that there is regard for other life.

Tyranids are evil. They seek to consume all life, with no regard for consequences. It may be their nature, but their nature is evil because they seek to overcome, making them evil as a whole.

Necrons are the same.

Orks are evil, out of illogic. If fighting wasn't so fun, they wouldn't destroy. Strangely enough, I think they respect other (humanoid) life more than humans do.

Which brings me to humans. Evil. Hands down. Regardless of their own intentions, their dogma and actions are to unthinkingly obliterate all other forms of life in a quest for dominance, just like orks.

sorry laggy pc

soz

Morgrim wrote:I'm not sure humans can get into the webway without being guided by an eldar, in which case tyrannids probably couldn't get in either.

They can. The Golden Throne was originolly designed to create a webway path (kept free of deamons by the emperors will.

Tyranids: What regards do you have for a cheesburger? Tasty!
Necrons: Umm... they're robots. A gun is evil.
Dark Eldar: You were being slowed, someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to murder people so that you will live. If you do you are put through a place worse than HELL.
Humans: You mean the imperium of man is evil in the year 40k. It is not Evil, It is just not naive. You are surronded by lions, and 99% of them want to nom you. And They aren't completely Xenophobic, only Xenos Horriblis are truly sought to be completely destroyed utterly, and there all after your brains anyway.
Tau are Good! Of course. Because Communists are Win (/sarcasm)!
My Point Is there Is no Evil or Good in Warhammer 40k there is only War.

When it boils down to the nid vs. Necron fight I think the nids are in a up hill battle cause of thier matablolism. If you cant eat you cant fight. even if they could asorb the necron metal and use it you gain no energy. The nids would starve to death.
And the nids arnt evil. I would call them uncaring, all they want is food and to make more of them selves, that kinda makes them a twisted version of natures goals for any species. sorry for spelling its late.

landraider wrote:

Morgrim wrote:I'm not sure humans can get into the webway without being guided by an eldar, in which case tyrannids probably couldn't get in either.

They can. The Golden Throne was originolly designed to create a webway path (kept free of deamons by the emperors will.

I hardly class the Emperor as a good example of humanity. It's slightly ambiguous where he is human at all; or at least, whether he should still be classed as human, just as it can be firmly argued that the primachs were technically not human. Humans do not have their abilities and certainly don't grow to maturity in only five years.

I do not think an ordinary human could get into the webway unaided. Maybe a powerful psyker who actually knew what they were doing. The Emperor firmly fits into that category.

There is a little bit in the new nid codex about them killing dark eldar to death. But I think the main reason is is that it makes them sound more evil if they kill the good guys.

spamandchips wrote:There is a little bit in the new nid codex about them killing dark eldar to death.

You mean they can kill someone in a way that doesn't result in death?