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I'm not proposing anything that could be considered modelling for advantage if you actually read my entire post and what I would propose in such a situation. No advantage would be gained by such a scratch build- it would just allow you to glue the pesky doors shut (but treating them as open in-game) whicle still using the standard GW weapons that are listed in the unit's entry...

Not sure where you've been, but every Games Day and GW event I've ever been to highly encouraged conversions (to include scratch building- based on GW parts- and kitbashing).

There is another "FAQ" out there that a lot of people seem to miss mentioning. It is called common sense. By the entry when a DP lands the doors open to allow passengers to disembark. So what if the doors are glued shut? Allow the weapons to fire, the troops to disembark and if the other player wants to shoot a unit on the other side, allow LOS. I don't see an issue here.

Beast - conversions fine, but "modelling for advantage" is definitely looked down upon. And here there is a definite advantage - you have just created LOS blocking terrain without reducing the effectiveness of the drop pod. So you have modelled an advantage that doesnt exist on the normal model, so you need to be aware that not every tournament will be accepting.

This is why I mentioned "tournaments" - GW events are massively different to an indy tournament, as oddly enough they ignore the rules and go for the modelling hobby....which is fine.

Boss - but that completely alters the feel of the game. TLOS is true line of sight, not "imagined los if we ignore the great big doors in the way"

yes it can be used.

I can't see why in a friendly game we can't.

if someones gonna be that stupid as to not let you use your dropod, you shouldn't allow their transports more then however many models fit in it.

also, you should be completly RAW anal.

that's how you get you're revenge, but yeah, why not.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Beast - conversions fine, but "modelling for advantage" is definitely looked down upon. And here there is a definite advantage - you have just created LOS blocking terrain without reducing the effectiveness of the drop pod. So you have modelled an advantage that doesnt exist on the normal model, so you need to be aware that not every tournament will be accepting.

This is why I mentioned "tournaments" - GW events are massively different to an indy tournament, as oddly enough they ignore the rules and go for the modelling hobby....which is fine.

Boss - but that completely alters the feel of the game. TLOS is true line of sight, not "imagined los if we ignore the great big doors in the way"

nosfertu you must be reading only the parts of my posts that suit you because you seem to be ignoring the the parts in each one where I said I would propose that anyone using such a scratch-built pod needs to play as if the doors are actually open (thus allowing LOS through them)... I agree wholeheartedly with Boss. Why not stop trying to make the game impossible for people who need to glue their doors shut (for whatever reason- modelling ability, broken hinge, aesthetics, paintjob preservation, etc,etc). This is a way to play such pods (whether GW or converted or scratch built) under the RAW. Nothing I proposed gives anyone an additional advantage, and allows for any player with glued doors or a scratch-built pod to actually use his model.

Edit: grammar

Sigh. I wasnt ignoring them, just stating you have removed the "True" from "True Line of Sight" - you play "as if", meaning it isn't.

I glued my Drop Pod doors shut because they were always getting in the way, falling open when I tried to keep them closed and knocking models over, and generally causing mayhem.

I think that for game purposes that it's a pretty poorly designed model. Aesthetically it's amazing, but something needs to be done so as to not be a complete cluster on the gaming table. If you're in a friendly game and someone hassles you about it, they are a tool. In a tournament, just discuss it with your opponent first.

There's no real RAW answer for this, and in this rare instance I happen to agree with the INAT.

lets end this at this:

Yes. you can keep them closed.

No, you can't deny LOS

Yes, it's not fair to force a DP to have openable doors, that's like saying I can't use a rhino's side doors because you can't afford to keep them openable (they fall off.)

or you can't let a hoverer stand without flying base even though you're afraid it might fall and break.

Captain Solon wrote:lets end this at this:

Yes. you can keep them closed.

Yes, you can deny LOS

Yes, it's not fair to force a DP to have openable doors, that's like saying I can't use a rhino's side doors because you can't afford to keep them openable (they fall off.)

or you can't let a hoverer stand without flying base even though you're afraid it might fall and break.

I've corrected this for you ... since LOS is just that ... what the model can see. There is only two time that you ignore LOS and thats the firing unit and the unit being fired at.