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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:What about terrain- is a homemade tree banned fron tourneys too?

Oh yeah, and now GW has a table you can buy, so I wonder if perhaps it is also illegal to use a non-Citadel tabletop.

; )

Solorg wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:What about terrain- is a homemade tree banned fron tourneys too?

Oh yeah, and now GW has a table you can buy, so I wonder if perhaps it is also illegal to use a non-Citadel tabletop.

; )

QFT

hehe

OK, i think the point of all these comments i sthat you can convert the model and put as many riders on it as you want, but in terms of the rules you will gain the ability to fire any extra weapons.

deleted for double posting :( my bad

Praxiss wrote:OK, i think the point of all these comments is that you can convert the model and put as many riders on it as you want, but in terms of the rules you will NOT NOT NOT gain the ability to fire any extra weapons.

Fix'd for you.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I agree about conversions and would like clarification on the citadel ruling
so for instance people would object to an Avatar of War figure in a game of WHFB?

Keep in mind that what the rules say and how people play are often two very different things.

In reality, the vast majority of players won't care what models you're using, or how heavily converted they are, so long as they are appropriate for what they're supposed to be.

But the moment you start converting models purely to give yourself an in-game advantage, expect to have someone point out that there are actually no rules that allow you to modify the model from how it is intended to be.

surely it is okay to add figures to a bike IF the points cost and model stats are ammended in agreement with the opponent?

Whether or not you and your opponent agree to follow house rules is entirely up to you and your opponent.

No conversions is just one of those dumb things that Gwar says to rile up people. It's not actually how anyone plays the game.

The threads been answered and thoroughly derailed, a lock probably would be good.

Gwar! wrote:

Solorg wrote:

Demogerg wrote:

Solorg wrote:Some entries in the Dex, though, have no model. In other words, conversion is the only option. Are all such models disallowed according to the RAW?

yep.

Wow. Demogerg, you are one hard core dude.

So am I.

Nah, you're just both entertaining. And playing Devil's Advocate for the sake of entertainment. When you play 40K (Gwar!, do you even play the game? Or just try to find loopholes in grammar?), I seriously doubt that you tell others that they cannot play with a Doom of Malantai because no model exists for it. If you did, then I guess that would be the definition of TFG.

On the same note, this game isn't all about the game. It's about the hobby too. The hobby can translate into the game. If you show up with a heavily converted miniature to a GW-sanctioned event, when all the pieces used are Citadel, I'd be willing to bet that you're going to be praised, not punished.

I guess it's silly for GW to have these How-To screens on their website to build models using plasticard and various other hobby techniques when they wouldn't even be able to use them in their own game, huh? I just think you enjoy getting a rise out of people that you don't even believe half the crap that you post in these forums.

Edit:

So, answer me this: if conversions are illegal, and Golden Daemon entries must be "game legal" models - how do Golden Daemon entries qualify for Golden Daemon at all, seeming as the conversions aren't legal? Even when GW states that conversions are welcome?

Puma, you're missing the point.

Nobody is going to seriously tell you that converted models are illegal in the normal course of things.


The point being made in this thread is that if you try to convert your models to abuse the rules then you had better be prepared for the rules to be used against you.

That's all. Nobody is trying to stop people from converting models. Just trying to discourage people from getting carried away with modelling for an in-game advantage.

I've read that soem tourneys won't let you use convrsions of non-GW models. But toher than that conversions are pretty standard.

I woud guess that the majority of armies feature at least 1 converted model, even if it is just a kit-bash.

insaniak wrote:Puma, you're missing the point.

Nobody is going to seriously tell you that converted models are illegal in the normal course of things.


The point being made in this thread is that if you try to convert your models to abuse the rules then you had better be prepared for the rules to be used against you.

That's all. Nobody is trying to stop people from converting models. Just trying to discourage people from getting carried away with modelling for an in-game advantage.

No, no, no. I get that. I understand the point of the thread. My comment was directed at Gwar! who believes that -any- converted model is illegal.

I think the real point here is that you are not allowed to gain an unfair advantage from converted models. If it appears that your model provides an unfair advantage it can be disallowed from play.

As for the original idea, if we are playing an Apocalypse game and the points cost on Wazdakka to reflect the change is increased I would not have a problem with it. Of course, only in Apocalypse and then I get to field my crazy conversions too, so no big for me...

puma713 wrote:My comment was directed at Gwar! who believes that -any- converted model is illegal.

And my comment was intended to point out that it can be argued that converted models technically are illegal... just that nobody will actually attempt to enforce that unless you're being a nuisance with your conversions.

Gwar tends to point out the RAW (as he sees it) without bothering to explain what it means in an actual game.

The reason the "one weapon per model can be fired per turn" rule exists is because there are bike models that come with two riders (SM attack bike for example) and have appropriate point costs to go with them.