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Just a newbie question, but ummm Why can't Females be SM's?

There was a mention in the fluff years ago that the implants were keyed to male genetics/chromosomes/whatever.

These days, they don't say much about it one way or the other... they just don't ever mention female Space Marines in the fluff.

Even in the world of 40k I think women are probably considered the weaker sex. Personally I don't think they are but there's just something about the 40k universe that tells me its just as misogynistic as the real world just more grimdark.

Asked the same question Dragonchef
One possible reason is to keep the tooling costs of moulds down, as there would otherwise need to be a duplication of torsos and heads for male and female

(Woodelves have male and female warriors, so I dunno)

40k is discriminating women (or horny men who like robust women models).

Look at the majority of armies in 40k.

SM and their other specific chapter based armies-No female SM.
IG- very few, but they are there.
Eldar-Some, but very elite.
Chaos- see SM
Orks- they're spore dudes. No "sex," but they have masculine bodies.
Necrons- all male so far. I guess the C'tan didn't have to sex appeal to the necrotyr, since all their bodies are pretty much male looking. Maybe all the men were taken and shoved in necron bodies, leaving the females behind. Or maybe the C'tan took only those men of a particular sexual orientation. Dunno. This explanation has gone on far too long and is tredding into dangerous waters.

Really, Sisters of Battle are the predominate female only force Games Workshop has produced for 40k to my knowledge. Maybe that was a concession to people pointing out the lack of females in terms of armies. Who knows.

WarOne wrote:
Eldar-Some, but very elite.

No, look at the standard warriors (for DE at least) and a good chunk of the torsos are clearly female ones. They just don't stick out in any obvious way on the table. I think guardians have the same thing. From memory the sculpts of DE warriors are about 2:1 male to female, wyches 1:2. (Anyone thinking wyches are all female need to go look at the models.)

Craftworlders I'm pretty sure are 1:1.

Guard lacking female models is GW being lazy/not being confident enough of doing sculpts that don't look like they all got free boob jobs. The whole 'men are stronger' thing doesn't really apply when you aren't in hand to hand, and if guard are in hand to and chances are they're dead anyway.

Speaking of which, what do you think IS the potential market for a fem-guard army/models?

Would anyone here consider collecting guard or (if they already do) integrate women into a mixed regiment if the models were introduced?

Yes, I'm looking at Imperial Guard as my next army, and I'd prefer a mixed regiment over an all-male one.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Speaking of which, what do you think IS the potential market for a fem-guard army/models?

Would anyone here consider collecting guard or (if they already do) integrate women into a mixed regiment if the models were introduced?

Hell yeah! It'd make my life so much easier.

I want guard, and I want one of my junior officers to be female, as well as a veteran or two. I know of one conversion, that uses Wood Elf hands and faces.

Morgrim wrote:No, look at the standard warriors (for DE at least) and a good chunk of the torsos are clearly female ones. They just don't stick out in any obvious way on the table. I think guardians have the same thing. From memory the sculpts of DE warriors are about 2:1 male to female, wyches 1:2. (Anyone thinking wyches are all female need to go look at the models.)

Plastic Guardians and Dark Eldar Warriors are both 1 female and 3 male torsos to a sprue. All heavy or special weapon troopers are male.

ultramarinelord wrote:I want guard, and I want one of my junior officers to be female, as well as a veteran or two. I know of one conversion, that uses Wood Elf hands and faces.

Was thinking of doing SM conversions with Wood Elf faces
Have found out that the fluff is flawed re SM's being male in another thread.

to save you wading through naff jokes, the bum fluff says that the SM's have to be made from male zygotes. The zygote is nueter AFAIK, neither male nor female, so is plainly bunkum in this universe or 40 K
therefore SM's can be female!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:to save you wading through naff jokes, the bum fluff says that the SM's have to be made from male zygotes.

As pointed out in the other thread, that's not actually quite what it says. The zygotes (referring to the developmental stage of the implant) is keyed to work with males. Exactly what that means in real scientific terms is anybody's guess, since we're not talking about real science. We're talking about semi-religious pseudo-science 40000 years in the future.

The above post was made before that response was made on the other thread, Insaniak
but thanks any way

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

ultramarinelord wrote:I want guard, and I want one of my junior officers to be female, as well as a veteran or two. I know of one conversion, that uses Wood Elf hands and faces.

Was thinking of doing SM conversions with Wood Elf faces
Have found out that the fluff is flawed re SM's being male in another thread.

to save you wading through naff jokes, the bum fluff says that the SM's have to be made from male zygotes. The zygote is nueter AFAIK, neither male nor female, so is plainly bunkum in this universe or 40 K
therefore SM's can be female!

Clearly you didn't notice my post in the other thread. I just read the entire thing . I sorta managed to understant most of the biology stuff (Year 10 biology FTW ).

WarOne wrote:
Necrons- all male so far. I guess the C'tan didn't have to sex appeal to the necrotyr, since all their bodies are pretty much male looking.

They're robots made to look like the skeletons of an alien race. You don't have the slightest clue what sex they are.

Necrons have norrow hips and they go round mindlessly bashing things up- they're blokes alright.

Hang on- better scratch that! having seen some of the lasses after a night out on the town -YIKES!

Did see it Ultra! probably right
I understood the biology ok - I just misread the crucial bit DOH!
Still want girls in my army though even if they do look like Soviet shot putters.
what would the stats be for Soviet Shot Putters in 40K?
Good strength and good ballistic skills.

They also never seem to eat anything, are worryingly skinny and are very cranky if woken up early.

Necrons are skeletons, you can't tell.

SM-The Emperor was male, so the Primarchs were male since they used his DNA, and the SM used their DNA so they had to be male.

Eldar-Howling Banshees

What about Tau? I know theres Shadowsun.

Chaos-I always thought slaanesh worshipers looked a little strange...

NOta to be sexist becasue i respect women but i think in the eyes of the imperium one of the main jobs for women is reproduction i mean think about it they have to re supply there armys with people and casualties are insainley high i also htink they lost clonign tech in the dark age of technology, other than that they work and fight just as men do.

Kogwar wrote:NOta to be sexist becasue i respect women but i think in the eyes of the imperium one of the main jobs for women is reproduction i mean think about it they have to re supply there armys with people and casualties are insainley high i also htink they lost clonign tech in the dark age of technology, other than that they work and fight just as men do.

Well obviously there aren't as much women fighting as men.

Da Big Mek wrote:In dead sky black sun there was a female guardsman, I think that GW is just too lazy to actually model them. I'm sure it depends on what world your on if women get selected for guard duty or not.

That's because GW can't model them... at least not very good anyway...
In 40k suffering, hard work, slavery, and dying for the emperor is an equal oppurtuity employer

tigonesskay wrote:

Da Big Mek wrote:In dead sky black sun there was a female guardsman, I think that GW is just too lazy to actually model them. I'm sure it depends on what world your on if women get selected for guard duty or not.

That's because GW can't model them... at least not very good anyway...
In 40k suffering, hard work, slavery, and dying for the emperor is an equal oppurtuity employer

At last a simple. practical reason
makes a lot of sense!

1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

I always thought the DE and Eldar female models were subtle enough.

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

mcfly wrote:

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

That's not nessarily true if the females in question have a good decent background story.


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They should have a codex or a codex supplement just for creating female based armies that are IG, warrior band, storm troopers ect..

mcfly wrote:

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

SoB?

Snikkyd wrote:

mcfly wrote:

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

SoB?

Seem kinda like 'roid users to me.

DOW2 had a female in a high position on Meridian