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ChrisCP wrote:No as they are not passing through 'terrain' it's an effect that makes one take a Dangerous Terrain test, this also means that if you're passing through Dangerous Terrain and/or Difficult as well as assaulting the Thropes you could be taking two danger for each model and one difficult for the squad =_=

That's my reasoning as well - they're not moving through terrain and all they have to do is take a "dangerous terrain test". When I look up "Dangerous Terrain" in the rulebook, it tells me about being wounded on 1's, but doesn't say anything about difficult terrain or difficult terrain tests.

Therefore, you don't need to roll difficult terrain to assault venomthropes, but you will take a dangerous terrain test, possibly losing models before you strike.

puma713 wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:

Note that a Dangerous Terrain test is sufficient to force assaulting models to strike at Initiative 1.

Why? That is my question. The dangerous terrain test doesn't say anything about taking a difficult terrain test. They're two different tests. Like Leadership and Morale.

And it is "here or there" because it affects whether or not something can reach them to assault. It doesn't matter about the Initiative 1 thing because they're already striking at Initiative 1 for the Venomthrope's Lash Whips. The question is more about assaulting through terrain. If they must take a dangerous terrain test, does this include a difficult terrain test? Because it doesn't say so in the rulebook.

Regarding your first question, it is because the rulebook says "if an assaulting unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of its models have their initiative value lowered to 1 when attacking", the Initiative 1 does matter because lash whips only apply to base contact with the venomthrope, however due to his aura, units that assault other nearby tyranids will also be fighting at Initiative 1.

My point about the argument being irrelevant to the situation is this:

As far as I can tell, your argument is based on the fact the rulebook does not allow a terrain piece to be classified as dangerous terrain without first being classified as difficult terrain, I personally don't accept that view, but for the sake of the discussion will happily treat it as a valid assumption.

So from here, we have a rule saying to take a dangerous terrain test, not that you count as assualting through dangerous terrain, simply that the test is taken, even if dangerous terrain cannot exist without being difficult, the test most certainly can, because it is an entirely seperate test.

Consider for example, in the standard rules, you can't inflict a wound on a model without first succesfully hitting that model, be it with a ranged weapon or a melee attack. This fact however does not prevent a special rule in a codex from saying "all models within 6 inches are wounded on a 4+", sure you can't NORMALLY wound without first hitting, but the codex tells you exactly what happens, they are wounded with no hitting involved.

That is what is happening here, EVEN IF you claim that dangerous terrain cannot exist without first being classed as difficult terrain, it has absolutely no bearing on what you do when told to take a dangerous terrain test, which is just that, take the 1 test, no more, no less.

Note that by the claims you are making, the rules would be entirely broken in other placed, for instance, Jump Infantry who "can move over all other models and all terrain freely. However if a moving jump infantry model begins or ends its move in difficult terrain, it must take a dangerous terrain test." Suddenly you have jump infantry who if they start or end in difficult terrain, have to make a difficult terrain test, despite being earlier told it may move over that terrain without penalty.

Frankly the RAW here is abundantly clear, you just take a dangerous terrain test, that is all.