2 Questions about staying an inch away from enemies

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**ChainswordHeretic**

Insanik, I think some of the OP's Are measuring like image A. And I think you are measuring like image B?

**visavismeyou**

ChainswordHeretic wrote:Insanik, I think some of the OP's Are measuring like image A. And I think you are measuring like image B?

do people think that either of those methods are correct? Really?

A model is considered to occupy the area of its base, so
when measuring distances between two models, use
the closest point of their bases as your reference points.
For models supplied without a base (like some large
vehicles) use the model’s hull or body instead.

**Old Man Ultramarine**

A, is correct.

Up until last Saturday, I played my skimmers with intention to be 1" away from mass of figure of enemy models.

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coredump wrote:

OTOH, this problem arose from having the skimmer on a very high base, 3-4" as I recall.

Which means it may not have been within 3" of the objective anyway...

What you recall is possibly my threat based off this one. That thread was simply a opinion poll.

The 3-4" stick was never played in this situation.

**ChainswordHeretic**

do people think that either of those methods are correct? Really?

As Insaniak pointed out in the fifth post, you ignore the base for skimmers and measure to the hull.

A, is correct.

OldmanU We play it as B. Except for shooting which uses true line of sight, measurements are made across the table. Insaniak is this correct?

**Mannahnin**

Insaniak is dead-on for the rules.

IME, however, I most common see skimmers played as occupying the column of space directly under their hulls. This simplifies things substantially when it comes to 1” away and measuring distance from objectives.

**Harkainos**

thegreyman wrote:Well, Dakkites (or is it Dakkians?)

Dakkeopians?

**Grundz**

if A is correct, that means high flying vehicles are immune to close combat(?)

also similiar question: can a 1 model unit multi assault?

**Gwar!**

Grundz wrote:if A is correct, that means high flying vehicles are immune to close combat(?)

also similiar question: can a 1 model unit multi assault?

1) No, because they can assault the base.
2) No.

**nosferatu1001**

1) No they are not immune, as you are told you can make contact with *either* the hull or the (flying) base

2) No, as it has to move into contact shortest route possible. Well, technically "yes" but the two closest models in each unit would have to be exactly equidistant from the single model.

**Gorkamorka**

nosferatu1001 wrote:1) No they are not immune, as you are told you can make contact with *either* the hull or the (flying) base

Nitpick:
It's the entire model, not just the hull.

p34, moving assaulting models
"Move the model into contact with the
nearest enemy model in the unit being assaulted, using
the shortest possible route."

**Mannahnin**

So a model from the second unit would have to be placed perfectly in such a way that the shortest, most direct route into base contact with the first unit ALSO ended touching said model from the second unit. This is highly unlikely with round bases.

**coredump**

2) No.

the rules say that the following models can assault a second unit, the initial one can only assault one unit.

**ChainswordHeretic**

IME, however, I most common see skimmers played as occupying the column of space directly under their hulls. This simplifies things substantially when it comes to 1” away and measuring distance from objectives.

I agree Mannahnin. In fact most of my playing is in tournaments and I have always seen it played like image B. Never like A.

**Sliggoth**

Gorkamorka 2010/04/15 19:19:24 Subject: 2 Questions about staying an inch away from enemies

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nosferatu1001 wrote:
1) No they are not immune, as you are told you can make contact with *either* the hull or the (flying) base

Nitpick:
It's the entire model, not just the hull.

p34, moving assaulting models
"Move the model into contact with the
nearest enemy model in the unit being assaulted, using
the shortest possible route."

Just to nitpick the nitpick; While pg 34 tells us how to move into cc, its not telling us who gets to attack. On pg 35 we find that "Models in base contact with any enemy models." can fight, as well as any model within 2" of at least one model in their unit thats in base contact with any enemy models.

This means that its quite possible a model will manage to move so that its in contact via a gun barrel etc but that it still will not actually be able to attack. We had this come up with an assault on a vehicle squadron a while back here, and it made a great deal of difference.

Strange things can also happen when multiple units become locked together in a large combat, its quite possible to have many models that cant attack because there isnt another model from their own unit thats in the right place, even tho they are within 2" of the enemy.
...............V.................
..................................
...V.....................V......
....A..................B...C...
.....D...E...F...G...H.......

The three vehicles were assaulted by the squad made up of A-H. B moved first and came into btb contact with the one V, C second also made btb contact. Nothing else could make it into contact except that A could by turning slightly bring his weapon into contact with a gun barrel from the second V. Now A, D and E could not attack since they were not in btb nor were they within 2" of a model in btb. It ended up being B, C and H making their attacks only.

It would be quite possible for an entire combat to fizzle out if only one model can make it into contact, but the only contact is with a weapon to a weapon contact, and no btb contact at all.

Sliggoth