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Klawz wrote:

Owain wrote:
The Chaos Gods and Eldar Gods cannot be synonymous. The Eldar Gods are probably Old Ones, as that's who created the Eldar and the Eldar believe that their Gods created them. Furthermore, the Chaos and Eldar Gods fought against each other. That makes their being the same thing impossible.
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The old ones are DEAD! DEAD I SAY!

Well, the Eldar gods are sort of dead too, so that isn't exactly disqualifying...

Standard fluff disclaimers:

(1) You can do what ever you want with the fluff privately.

(2) There is no such thing as strict canon when it comes to GW.

That said, I think the idea of Chaos Eldar is boring and totally contrary to what makes Dark Eldar interesting/compelling. I think of Dark Eldar as consummate atheists who only find metaphorical relevance to notions of divinity. Chaos "Gods" are actually just powerful Warp-things. Eldar "Gods" are actually just . . . well, as fans we are left to fill in that blank. Whatever, call them Old Ones--that's plausible enough for this example. In any case, the idea of worshiping anything aside from oneself--in a purely materialistic sense, I mean--would be utterly stupid to the DE as I conceive of them. I really think they are the one race in 40k that has no transcendent abstraction of values (Tyranids aside, who seem to have no capacity for values as such). For them, literally everything is already deconstructed into power and pleasure.

Joetaco wrote:

Klawz wrote:The old ones are DEAD! DEAD I SAY!

The old ones? like Cthulhu and shub niggurath and Has- *sploosh*

The Other Gods, and the crawling chaos Nyarlathotep Will rule, and the Eon-city of R'lyeh will rise again!

Everyone here who thinks they have a CC army, knows that if they had to fight a DE Wych army with the Mark of Khorne (Think Warp Beast spam) they would rewrite their list .

Khorne Eldar would be much more akin to Craftworlders than Dark Eldar.

Their nemesis is Slaanesh, their main deity is one of warfare and destruction and they solidly pursue it.

The main factor is the way the Warrior Aspects use masks, which protects their psyche from it. Even when the 'mask takes over', they become Exarchs which are still not over to Khorne.

I think the closes we have is Arhra, who I imagine is the classic 'power student'. While the other Phoenixes pursue the way of the warrior wholeheartedly, Arhra would want more power, and more quickly and is the one most likely to make such a diobolic deal.

(note I do not link Arhra to the Incubi directly; I do not think he and the Dark Father are the same)

Manchu wrote:
That said, I think the idea of Chaos Eldar is boring and totally contrary to what makes Dark Eldar interesting/compelling. I think of Dark Eldar as consummate atheists who only find metaphorical relevance to notions of divinity. Chaos "Gods" are actually just powerful Warp-things. Eldar "Gods" are actually just . . . well, as fans we are left to fill in that blank. Whatever, call them Old Ones--that's plausible enough for this example. In any case, the idea of worshiping anything aside from oneself--in a purely materialistic sense, I mean--would be utterly stupid to the DE as I conceive of them. I really think they are the one race in 40k that has no transcendent abstraction of values (Tyranids aside, who seem to have no capacity for values as such). For them, literally everything is already deconstructed into power and pleasure.

Such a position would make sense in a universe that mirrors our own – where the supreme entity/entities do not actively inject themselves in any genuinely identifiable way which makes their very existence subject to thorough and justified scrutiny. In the 40k universe, the influence of the chaos gods – indeed EVERY god-like entity from the Nightbringer to the Emperor can be observed.

The Dark Eldar would not so much “worship” a particular god as align their own interests with those of a god for mutual benefit. The Chaos gods are particularly good about rewarding service. Where the Nightbringer eats your soul, the Emperor says the best you can hope for is to die in service to him, The Avatar of Khaine just lumbers about after mutilating some poor Eldar exarch, the chaos gods ACTUALLY make an appealing an OBSERVABLY valuable argument for service/allegiance.

I tend to think every Dark Eldar is simply waiting for the most opportune moment to thrust a knife in the back of another Dark Eldar who stands in their way. Cabals are alliances of convenience – dissolved the very SECOND they become a liability. So to would be a cabal dedicated to a particular Chaos god… as long as said chaos god delivers, the cabal members would maintain the cabal. The MOMENT a chaos god fails to deliver or allegiance to that god becomes a particularly strong liability, the caba would be dissolved.

If casting a prayer to Nurgle gives Dark Eldar Bob the poison he needs to murder Dark Eldar Ted and assume his mantle of power than I tend to think Dark Eldar Bob would take little issue with chanting said prayer. Perhaps particularly ruthless and self righteous Dark Eldar may actually strive to cast the Dark powers against one another with aspirations of descending beyond the mortal plane themselves.

incarna wrote:

Manchu wrote:
That said, I think the idea of Chaos Eldar is boring and totally contrary to what makes Dark Eldar interesting/compelling. I think of Dark Eldar as consummate atheists who only find metaphorical relevance to notions of divinity. Chaos "Gods" are actually just powerful Warp-things. Eldar "Gods" are actually just . . . well, as fans we are left to fill in that blank. Whatever, call them Old Ones--that's plausible enough for this example. In any case, the idea of worshiping anything aside from oneself--in a purely materialistic sense, I mean--would be utterly stupid to the DE as I conceive of them. I really think they are the one race in 40k that has no transcendent abstraction of values (Tyranids aside, who seem to have no capacity for values as such). For them, literally everything is already deconstructed into power and pleasure.

Such a position would make sense in a universe that mirrors our own – where the supreme entity/entities do not actively inject themselves in any genuinely identifiable way which makes their very existence subject to thorough and justified scrutiny. In the 40k universe, the influence of the chaos gods – indeed EVERY god-like entity from the Nightbringer to the Emperor can be observed.

The Dark Eldar would not so much “worship” a particular god as align their own interests with those of a god for mutual benefit. The Chaos gods are particularly good about rewarding service. Where the Nightbringer eats your soul, the Emperor says the best you can hope for is to die in service to him, The Avatar of Khaine just lumbers about after mutilating some poor Eldar exarch, the chaos gods ACTUALLY make an appealing an OBSERVABLY valuable argument for service/allegiance.

I tend to think every Dark Eldar is simply waiting for the most opportune moment to thrust a knife in the back of another Dark Eldar who stands in their way. Cabals are alliances of convenience – dissolved the very SECOND they become a liability. So to would be a cabal dedicated to a particular Chaos god… as long as said chaos god delivers, the cabal members would maintain the cabal. The MOMENT a chaos god fails to deliver or allegiance to that god becomes a particularly strong liability, the caba would be dissolved.

If casting a prayer to Nurgle gives Dark Eldar Bob the poison he needs to murder Dark Eldar Ted and assume his mantle of power than I tend to think Dark Eldar Bob would take little issue with chanting said prayer. Perhaps particularly ruthless and self righteous Dark Eldar may actually strive to cast the Dark powers against one another with aspirations of descending beyond the mortal plane themselves.

This would work if the chaos gods wernt vengeful SOB's, the minute the dark eldar betray one they would get their souls raped.

corpsesarefun wrote:
This would work if the chaos gods wernt vengeful SOB's, the minute the dark eldar betray one they would get their souls raped.

I tend to think of Dark Eldar as possessing a supremely confident perspective on things. Have you ever known someone who carried themselves as if they could do no wrong, they were better than everyone around them, and whatever they touch turns to gold? I’d imagine all Dark Eldar behave like that – but supported by functional immortality.

A Dark Eldar would not fear reprisal from a chaos god, he/she would feel is if the chaos god ought to fear reprisal from HIM/HER. Any “lessons” to be learned by other Dark Eldar who’ve suffered the wraith of a chaos god would be merely evidence of that Dark Eldar’s inferiority.

incarna wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:
This would work if the chaos gods wernt vengeful SOB's, the minute the dark eldar betray one they would get their souls raped.

I tend to think of Dark Eldar as possessing a supremely confident perspective on things. Have you ever known someone who carried themselves as if they could do no wrong, they were better than everyone around them, and whatever they touch turns to gold? I’d imagine all Dark Eldar behave like that – but supported by functional immortality.

A Dark Eldar would not fear reprisal from a chaos god, he/she would feel is if the chaos god ought to fear reprisal from HIM/HER. Any “lessons” to be learned by other Dark Eldar who’ve suffered the wraith of a chaos god would be merely evidence of that Dark Eldar’s inferiority.

This may be so but when they see that everyone that does it tends to get all head explodey they will start thinking its a bad idea.

corpsesarefun wrote:
This may be so but when they see that everyone that does it tends to get all head explodey they will start thinking its a bad idea.

I don’t really think the chaos gods work that way. Abbadon has courted the gifts of chaos powers for millennia and yet remains unharmed. Abbadon is an epic figure to be sure, but as far as ruthless/conniving/backstabbing characters go, I’d imagine he’d be on par with your average Dark Eldar Cabal leader.

incarna wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:
This may be so but when they see that everyone that does it tends to get all head explodey they will start thinking its a bad idea.

I don’t really think the chaos gods work that way. Abbadon has courted the gifts of chaos powers for millennia and yet remains unharmed. Abbadon is an epic figure to be sure, but as far as ruthless/conniving/backstabbing characters go, I’d imagine he’d be on par with your average Dark Eldar Cabal leader.

Abbadon stays loyal to all gods, he is a worshipper of chaos undivided.

DE taking the complementary gifts from some gods then backstabbing them would make them VERY angry, as i said they are vengeful and rather jealous gods.

corpsesarefun wrote:
Abbadon stays loyal to all gods, he is a worshipper of chaos undivided.

DE taking the complementary gifts from some gods then backstabbing them would make them VERY angry, as i said they are vengeful and rather jealous gods.

My understanding is that Abbadon is not loyal to ANY chaos god remaining independent of them all. If the Chaos gods could simply explode the heads of any mortal they wished than the Eldar AND Dark Eldar would have gone extinct thanks to Slanesh a very long time ago… to say nothing of the rest of the 40k universe.

incarna wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:
Abbadon stays loyal to all gods, he is a worshipper of chaos undivided.

DE taking the complementary gifts from some gods then backstabbing them would make them VERY angry, as i said they are vengeful and rather jealous gods.

My understanding is that Abbadon is not loyal to ANY chaos god remaining independent of them all. If the Chaos gods could simply explode the heads of any mortal they wished than the Eldar AND Dark Eldar would have gone extinct thanks to Slanesh a very long time ago… to say nothing of the rest of the 40k universe.

No abbadon is the chosen of chaos undivided, he worships chaos undivided and they see him as their favoured son.

corpsesarefun wrote:
No abbadon is the chosen of chaos undivided, he worships chaos undivided and they see him as their favoured son.

I see within Abaddon’s description that he has “attained the favor of each of the Chaos powers”, “he has resisted becoming the pawn of any individual patron”, and “the mark is proof that the Dark Gods have a plan for Abaddon.” But I don’t really see where it explicitly states that he worships chaos undivided. It seems to me that he is merely aligned with chaos for his own ends – and has reaped great rewards as a result. Can you point to any lore that outlines his worship of chaos?

Dark Eldar would not worship any god. They are self serving and arrogant beyond belief. Relying on a deity would be seen as weak and pathetic. They're nihilistic.

They may be worshipping the chaos gods and theyre to arrogant to realise it

How does one worship without the knowledge they are doing it? If anything their drug usage and penchant for torture and pain are relative to She Who Thirsts...

I'd like to add, that the Archon is the supreme being, disobedience leads to torture and death. There was talk of a character in a novel that worshiped slanesh. And he/she was killed because it was seen as weak.

If you can dream it up, you can do it. Basically if you can come up with a half decent reason they would (shouldn't be to hard) then just do it, after all the whole 40K world is dreamed up.

Mathais wrote: after all the whole 40K world is dreamed up.

It is true that the story/background of 40k is fiction, but the OP is asking within the rules/stories/etc that the writers of 40k have laid down would a khorne-worshipping eldar be possible. I think the answer is yes, but of course anyone can do whatever they like with their own army and the fluff they can imagine.

Wierd how people forget that not only do DE NOT worship Slaanesh they hate, fear, and painstakingly avoid her/him.

... and people forget that the slight possibility of one Eldar getting corrupted under specific conditions does not legitimate a whole army to be Chaos worshippers.

Example: Yes, it is thinkable that one US Marine get's tempted by radical islamic ideas. That does not mean that there is a chance of the whole US Marine Corps to defect to the Taliban.

I think there can be a way for this to work if you create a situation where the chaos gods can tempt the eldar and they do actions they may not normally do

An individual Eldar would have to be PRETTY damn far gone to fall to worship of one of the Dark Gods. Let's go down the list:

Khorne:
Maybe if an Eldar got so lost on the warrior's Path that they began to live for bloodshed and nothing else, becoming too blood-crazed to pay heed to so cerebral a concept as Kaela Mensha Khaine. In that case I suppose there's some chance that in this one rare case an Eldar, bereft of sanity, might fall to the worship of the Blood Good.

Slaanesh:
Not a chance. Slaanesh was born of the Eldar and lives to consume their souls. An Eldar(especially dark) worshipping Slaanesh is like a human worshipping AIDS.

Nurgle:
I'm not seeing this as likely. Nurgle is born of human fear of sickness and mortality. Eldar are rarely shown as vulnerable to sickness and mutation and, being conditionally immortal, have no fear of mortality. Nurgle is born of emotions that are literally alien to an Eldar.

Tzeench:
This, I suppose, isn't exceedingly impossible.. Tzeench is the schemer and one of infinite knowledge and intrigue. Perhaps an Eldar on the path of the seer could become so obsessed with furthering his knowledge and insight that he would be willing to sell his soul to do so?

Owain wrote:

Slaanesh:
Not a chance. Slaanesh was born of the Eldar and lives to consume their souls. An Eldar(especially dark) worshipping Slaanesh is like a human worshipping AIDS.

I think with the proper imagination anything can be done. You couldn't imagine a small group of dark eldar turning to worshiping slaanesh to avoid having their own souls eaten? They could promise to bring slaanesh other eldar/dark eldar souls instead of lesser races. Seeing how Slaanesh REALLY wants eldar souls it would be a possibility.

Owain wrote:

Nurgle:
I'm not seeing this as likely. Nurgle is born of human fear of sickness and mortality. Eldar are rarely shown as vulnerable to sickness and mutation and, being conditionally immortal, have no fear of mortality. Nurgle is born of emotions that are literally alien to an Eldar.

Eldar are not necessarily "scared" of death, but they do know their race is dying out and they are certainly despairing at thoughts of it(which is definitely within nurgle's area). Nurgle could promise a group of eldar that he will keep their race alive and help them reproduce(or at the very least help them kill their enemies to allow them more time to find a solution). Nurgle has also been shown to have been almost benevolent in his dealings with Isha. I think that could be another reason some eldar may choose to come to him. He is known as "papa" or "father" nurgle for this patriarchal love and protection he provides to his followers.

Alright, we all get that if you wanted to your Space Marines could be led by a Tau Ethereal who kept hormagaunts as pets. So what?

Khaine is similar to Khorne, it seems. Khorne is the god of bloodshed and murder, whereas Khaine is the god of battle. While similar, they're technically different. Also, Khorne is the lord of skulls and blood, Khaine is the god of iron and fire.

Back to the original topic, though: Yes, but they sure as hell wouldn't be Craftworld or Exodite Eldar. Plain and simple.

I'm pretty sure both DE and Eldar would have to go way out of their way to worshop any Chaos god.

The Eldar learning from the mistakes of the fall, put up very strick guidelines to what they can and can't do in the form of paths. If an Eldar went off the warrior path they would become a Scout or Dark Reaper (I forget which)

The Dark Eldar torture and kill Psykers, cutting the strongest ties to the warp in an attempt to stop Slaneesh from eating their souls.

However, No Eldar would worship Slaneesh, as it killed many of the Eldars traditional gods, causing the current state of torture for Isha, and shattering Khaine into a million pieces. The Eldar hate Slanessh so much, that they creating a new god that'll be strong enough to kill Slaneesh the moment that the Eldar become extinct.

corpsesarefun wrote:

incarna wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:
Abbadon stays loyal to all gods, he is a worshipper of chaos undivided.

DE taking the complementary gifts from some gods then backstabbing them would make them VERY angry, as i said they are vengeful and rather jealous gods.

My understanding is that Abbadon is not loyal to ANY chaos god remaining independent of them all. If the Chaos gods could simply explode the heads of any mortal they wished than the Eldar AND Dark Eldar would have gone extinct thanks to Slanesh a very long time ago… to say nothing of the rest of the 40k universe.

No abbadon is the chosen of chaos undivided, he worships chaos undivided and they see him as their favoured son.

They sure know how to pick winners

Manchu wrote:Wierd how people forget that not only do DE NOT worship Slaanesh they hate, fear, and painstakingly avoid her/him.

I was not implying that the kabalites would worship Slaanesh. Simply stating that of all the gods, their lives are carried out close to that of Slaanesh cultists.

Manchu wrote:Alright, we all get that if you wanted to your Space Marines could be led by a Tau Ethereal who kept hormagaunts as pets. So what?

The OP is asking if eldar could feasibly worship khorne. The answer is that anything is possible because we simply don't know everything about everyone in the lore. There could always be some rare sect of eldar that no one knew about until now that worship khorne exclusively. The 40k lore writers do this kind of stuff all the time with finding STCs that were supposedly lost/destroyed, or finding an entire race that no one knew about until recently(tau). The "so what" is that the OP gets an answer and he can move on with his army. I know you posted a similar answer to mine above so I'm not sure what your "so what" comment was about. Maybe elaborate a bit more?

Manchu wrote: I think of Dark Eldar as consummate atheists who only find metaphorical relevance to notions of divinity.

Dark eldar were (at least partially) originally eldar that worshiped slaanesh in pleasure cults. They left behind their strict moral codes to delve into layers and layers of pleasure and eventually started worshiping slaanesh openly. This of course led to the fall. Would dark eldar have all realized their mistake and never worship anything again? I doubt it. I see them as innately selfish, jealous, and bent on destruction which are all exactly what the chaos gods look for in a worshiper. They love to stroke brooding egos of underdogs and give them gifts to help them achieve power (which the DE are all about gaining) and then expect loyal service. This is exactly how they got to Horus and the other primarchs/space marine legions. The chaos gods are highly practiced at turning beings that would otherwise never turn to chaos (ie the purist of the space marines, the ones that loved the emperor more than anything in life) and slowly corrupt them in subtle ways to make them think they are making the decision on their own.

I don't think if they did exist they would be exactly common because of how volatile that whole situation would be among their own people and the dangers of chaos worship, but not possible whatsoever? I don't believe that at all.