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Exatcly. And that's why the Deff Dredd can take four DCCWs.

What happens when the kans get there? ur done with them, they just stand there? a fight with a walker is still pretty tough. only thing orks have to help with bloodcrushers.

Grimgob, I can still assault with the Kans when they get there, there's just no advantage to getting rid of the rokkits. I can't make the Kans better at CC than they start with, so why not make them better at range. Why would I waste Orks' only BS3 Anti-Tank?

Also, reading back on your posts, I fail to see what kind of point you are trying to make. Are you trying to say that Kans are good in CC and that I shouldn't put rokkits on them because that will make them worse in CC?

Sorry I got OT, all i was sayin was dont dismis the klaws on those kanz as they will help out. Theys not the best in CC but theyz not bad. My point was 3 more rokkitz at 1 tank will not push your transport shooting over the top. You do have 9 Str 10 weapons on the kanz. I love boyz as anti-infantry shooting but they are not that reliable (speacialy sluggas with 12" range). your list needs to be able to widdle down units you may not want to assault (like LC termies). you can play more than one game, try the grotzookas on 3 to 6 kans in a game or two. the only armies that have 12 to 15 transports are going to be an uphill battle for a footsloggin force no matter what.

Thanks, Grimgob. I'll try the 'zookas out a couple times and see what I think.

I don't think more than three grot zookas would be worth it. Losing too many of the S9 rokkits at range would hurt against higher armor values and would help out against MC which you don't want your walkers in CC with.

Oh, TMC's. How I hate you so so much.

They are rough and tumble.

This is the final list, in case anyone wanted to see what I ended up with.

HQ:
Big Mek 85 pts
w/ KFF

Big Mek 85pts
w/ KFF

Troops:
4X 20 Slugga Boyz 640pts
w/ Nob
w/ PK
w/ BP

Fast Attack:
16 Stormboyz 232pts
w/ Nob
w/ PK
w/ BP

Heavy Support:
3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

Total
1499 pts

You may want to consider KMB on some kans they are quickly becoming the weapon of choice for +5 pts you get AP 3 for MEQ's and such.

Aqualung wrote:You may want to consider KMB on some kans they are quickly becoming the weapon of choice for +5 pts you get AP 3 for MEQ's and such.

Rokkits are AP3...

Gorkamorka wrote:
Rokkits are AP3...

No no no..Rokkits are Str 8.

My Bad, KMB's are AP 2 so you have Termie killers, along with MEQ's.

To the debate of KK's. Well KKs no matter what are equipped with a CCDW which is str 10, so close combat is always a viable option. Save the LR all spacemarine tanks are rear armor value 10, aka auto pen hits assuming you can land a hit on the vehicles. like someone already mentioned WS2 means youll be hitting most infantry targets on a 4. But going back to the topic of shooting, they have the best BS of all the orks, so why not throw a rocket or a KMB on them? youre going to need to be able to handle vehicles from afar, because a unit that moves 6" and assaults 6" isnt going to do much unless they opponent is trapped. Its also a reliable (knock on wood) shooting phase. Theres nothing worse than rolling 10 dice and getting no 5's or 6's for your rocket rolls.

At 12 points a piece and then 85 for zag (who also kills of 1-3 more) stormboyz are too expensive and not efficient enough.

Ever consider scrapping Zag/Snik entirely? throw some deffkoptas in or IMO, better yet, rocket buggies


EDIT: Is your army going to be spread out for 2 KFF's? can you squeeze it into one section and cut down on the points?

Okay, I personally would replace the stormboys with some rokkit deffkoptas, keeping the kans with rockets is probably a good idea, but one group of kans with grotzookas is REALLY fun.

I really don't think I can fit 80 Boyz in one KFF and I like the versatility that two gives me.

I've run Rokkit Koptas before and I've never been like "WOW!". Koptas just don't fill the same role that I like using the Stormboyz for.

Do the people you play against Mechanise everything or is there more footslogging around?

A healthy mix, I think. Mech Guard, Infantry Guard, 'Nids, 'Crons, a couple Tau, couple SM.

Second that.

Nobody in our group has enough of the right types of vehicles to mechanize everything.

Remember that RL's deemed as tank killers can also be used to flatten MEQ's or MC's. A useful component unless you're fighting 6 squads of 30 boyz and a warboss (or another footslogging variant ).

Claypool wrote:I've run Rokkit Koptas before and I've never been like "WOW!". Koptas just don't fill the same role that I like using the Stormboyz for.

Not sure what the role of your stormboyz is but agreed a plain jane Rokkit Deff Kopta is worthless, but you add the Amazing Ork Mekboy technology of the Buzzsaw and now you got one of... actually the best... hell the only reliable...Alpha strike anti-tank the Orks have. My clan doesn't even start a waaagh! without at least two


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ChrisCP wrote:Do the people you play against Mechanise everything or is there more footslogging around?

Well it's like this, the players in my area that are actually a fight play just about everything mech' the other that I usaully just tromp on footslog

Edit: Updated list

looks good but not real sure if i like the stormboyz or not. in my list i run lootas but i can see how Zagstruk could help with LRs.

shoota boyz!

@sickening, Check the list just above your post for the final version.

Claypool wrote:

HQ:
Big Mek 85 pts
w/ KFF
good

Big Mek 85pts
w/ KFF
good

Troops:
4X 20 Slugga Boyz 640pts
w/ Nob
w/ PK
w/ BP
i haven been playing a Kan wall my self and find that shoota boyz work much much better. 3 full units will work better! easier to keep inline with your kans and they will be much harder to kill.

Fast Attack:
16 Stormboyz 232pts
w/ Nob
w/ PK
w/ BP
this is a good way to deliver a PK into a LR but i could see this unit getting wiped out very easy.

Heavy Support:
3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

3 Killa Kans 150pts
w/ 3 Rokkits

Total
1499 pts